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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
(Post 3405523)
I believe Scheds is running a few steps concurrently
Makes you wonder how often this happens each day…unnoticed. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 3404480)
I suppose I'll let the cat out of the bag. The beauty of rolling thunder is that it in effect functions as a GSWC...but is covered under the earlier, GS step of coverage. The company has no choice but to award the reserve GS. Often times they will do everything that they can to avoid GSWC, and they are still rare for the most part.
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3404502)
Which really doesn't make very much sense, you are still robbing Peter to pay Paul. Reserves are almost guaranteed a trip in many categories right now, so in the end what is the difference? I keep GSWC slips in but never get a call. Almost every single day I look at reserve coverage and it is always right around 0. It is amazing to me the wheels don't fall off more often just by looking at the reserve coverage in my category.
Want a GSWC-like schedule? Reserve GS is the way to go. That may or may not be what works for you but there you have it. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 3405675)
It doesn't make sense, but remember, in the past we usually didn't have multiple GS being passed out like Halloween candy. Also, reserve was a much worse deal back in the day, so 98% of the time the only guys on reserve were the most junior. When this provision was put into the contract it was likely decades ago, and a reserve GS was so rare as to be a statistical outlier. Now they are far more common. Nevertheless, if you want the benefit of GSWC, you likely won't get it as a regular lineholder except in all but the most extreme cases--even with our current staffing issues. Scheduling is going to do everything they can to avoid a GSWC, since as you noted it just solves today's problem to create tomorrow's. But since a reserve GS is coded as a GS--and most importantly, the GS coverage step doesn't discriminate between regular and reserve--scheduling has no choice but to award the reserve GS, if that pilot is next in line for the GS award. That never really struck home to me until a couple of years ago. Think about it. In nearly every other step of the trip coverage ladders, a reserve assignment is a specific step, applicable to reserves only. But not for green slips! It just says "green slip." NOT "greenslip to a regular lineholder" followed several steps later by "reserve greenslips." Just...GS.
Want a GSWC-like schedule? Reserve GS is the way to go. That may or may not be what works for you but there you have it. |
Originally Posted by Fourpaw
(Post 3405478)
Help me understand this one.
Find a nice trip in open time. Put in for the trip specifically in addition to my blanket GS. Call the company and they say it’s out on GS call at the moment…currently on pilot 2. Waiting for my call…it gets awarded to a slightly more senior WS? I thought once a trip was on GS that’s it? |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3405822)
How the trips are covered is pretty specific. I don’t think there is even a mechanism where they can run coverages concurrently. The scheduler pulls the coverage run for that trip. If after 30 minutes the trip has not been accepted by a pilot they are required to pull the coverage again. They often fail to do this in the interest of workload. If on the other hand a pilot calls and wants it on a WS I am sure they would pull the coverage again in exactly 30 minutes.
As the saying goes, “if ya ain’t cheat’n, ya ain’t try’n” Do they habitually cheat? Don’t know. Do they speed sometimes? Absolutely. |
Originally Posted by waldo135
(Post 3405836)
Can’t speak to recent events, but in 2015 on the 717, I caught them starting the ladder again from the top without calling for GSWC. I called them, they have me “we’re just doing our best tap dance.” Not 2 minutes after I hung up, I got the call for the GSWC.
As the saying goes, “if ya ain’t cheat’n, ya ain’t try’n” Do they habitually cheat? Don’t know. Do they speed sometimes? Absolutely. |
Originally Posted by BlueSkies
(Post 3405917)
How did you catch them? (Not a sarcastic question, I'm actually wondering.)
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3405822)
How the trips are covered is pretty specific. I don’t think there is even a mechanism where they can run coverages concurrently. The scheduler pulls the coverage run for that trip. If after 30 minutes the trip has not been accepted by a pilot they are required to pull the coverage again. They often fail to do this in the interest of workload. If on the other hand a pilot calls and wants it on a WS I am sure they would pull the coverage again in exactly 30 minutes.
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 3405929)
Naive post of the year?
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
(Post 3405917)
How did you catch them? (Not a sarcastic question, I'm actually wondering.)
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