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BlueSkies 04-15-2022 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3405988)
In Daily Trip Coverage, you could see who was getting the call. At first it was in-base guys, then out-of-base guys, then the IA call (that I ignored). Then they started over again with In-base without going through GSWC.

Does this stay in Daily Trip Coverage or does it pop up for a few minutes and disappear when they move on to the next person? I watch DTC pretty closely and have never noticed that before. Learn something new every day, thanks. :)

waldo135 04-16-2022 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3406710)
Does this stay in Daily Trip Coverage or does it pop up for a few minutes and disappear when they move on to the next person? I watch DTC pretty closely and have never noticed that before. Learn something new every day, thanks. :)

This was pre-ARCOS. It would change as they went through the ladder. ARCOS is different now.

Ar Pilot 04-16-2022 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 3405608)
Yeah, through several calls and some digging…they stopped the ARCOS process when someone called in about a WS. The scheduler admitted it was an illegal award and they would make a note on the senior pilots time card. ACE report submitted.

Makes you wonder how often this happens each day…unnoticed.


LOA 20-04 allows them to stop the GS step of coverage all the way into the award window without having to pay a pilot for it. They can only go backward in coverage at that point or NOOP and split the rotation, then begin coverage again for the new created rotations. Obviously I haven’t looked at ARCOS or the TCs, but that sounds perfectly legal under the LOA.

BlueSkies 04-16-2022 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3406785)
This was pre-ARCOS. It would change as they went through the ladder. ARCOS is different now.

Ahh, ok thanks.

CBreezy 04-16-2022 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 3406791)
LOA 20-04 allows them to stop the GS step of coverage all the way into the award window without having to pay a pilot for it. They can only go backward in coverage at that point or NOOP and split the rotation, then begin coverage again for the new created rotations. Obviously I haven’t looked at ARCOS or the TCs, but that sounds perfectly legal under the LOA.


​​​​​​Wait, what? It absolutely does not and I've gotten paid several times for 23M7 this year alone for the company stopping trip coverage to NOOP and split.

DWC CAP10 USAF 04-16-2022 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3406809)
​​​​​​Wait, what? It absolutely does not and I've gotten paid several times for 23M7 this year alone for the company stopping trip coverage to NOOP and split.

You might want to go look at LOA 20-04 section 5.B.2.5 where is states "...current offer and/or award call out may be stopped prior to the end of the 12- minute award window. In such event, no pilot will receive pay nor will there be any recovery obligation"

boog123 04-16-2022 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 3405478)
Help me understand this one.

Find a nice trip in open time. Put in for the trip specifically in addition to my blanket GS. Call the company and they say it’s out on GS call at the moment…currently on pilot 2.

Waiting for my call…it gets awarded to a slightly more senior WS? I thought once a trip was on GS that’s it?

why are you bugging the schedulers asking about a trip that went out on proper coverage? ARCOS will call you when it’s calls you.

CBreezy 04-16-2022 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3406858)
You might want to go look at LOA 20-04 section 5.B.2.5 where is states "...current offer and/or award call out may be stopped prior to the end of the 12- minute award window. In such event, no pilot will receive pay nor will there be any recovery obligation"

That does not mean that the company can stop and NOOP a trip without owing anyone pay. It does not trump 23M7.

Ar Pilot 04-16-2022 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3406879)
That does not mean that the company can stop and NOOP a trip without owing anyone pay. It does not trump 23M7.

Sort of correct. If they’ve attempted coverage, they are within their rights to NOOP a rotation. What they do with it next determines if an M.7 is due.

NOOP, split into two new rotations, run those two new rotations through coverage and cover them correctly = no M.7 due.

NOOP, split, send a few legs out to reroute, create a new rotation and run it through coverage = M.7 due for original NOOP rotation. (This is very common)

tunes 04-16-2022 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3405822)
How the trips are covered is pretty specific. I don’t think there is even a mechanism where they can run coverages concurrently. The scheduler pulls the coverage run for that trip. If after 30 minutes the trip has not been accepted by a pilot they are required to pull the coverage again. They often fail to do this in the interest of workload. If on the other hand a pilot calls and wants it on a WS I am sure they would pull the coverage again in exactly 30 minutes.

this is not true. They have to start attempting to cover within 30 min not have a pilot accept within 30 min


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