Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
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Not all unicorns and rainbows. Read the latest MEC Chair email. They will violate the contract whenever it pleases them. We in-turn will grieve and then you get a penance for it 3 years down the road. Pay rates are something they can't eff with and that's why I have always been a large proponent. I have never been a fan of soft pay/benefits. Precisely for the examples we are seeing now and pointed out by the MEC Chair. Are junior folks in BES really seeing seniors grab holiday flying? My guess is no. I know I wouldn't. I bid those days off for a reason. Deadheads are not working out as planned many things are not. Again, the MEC Chair highlighted but a few of the items DALPA is witnessing management blatantly violating in our PWA. It seems you guys are going to spend more time doing quality control on your time cards than in the past. That's again why I am a big pay rate guy. No trickery there. I was a barely "yes" vote on C19, main reason was the soft pay items - I thought management would not uphold their end. Seems to be trending that way right now.
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One could also say the same about the vocal yes voters: "how could they vote yes for [insert controversial item]?! It's one of the worst parts of it."
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Wow, gee that's just great. How about we banded NB to the 75 rate? How about we had added another $45/hour across the board to our rates (then adjusted up for inflation) Softpay requires work on your part. Rates do not. It will be a frustrating experience for you tracking down what you are owed for your work. Never been a soft pay fan. Especially with our management.
I’ll say it again- look at trips from pretty much any point in the last 3 years, then look at the September trips. There is a noticeable improvement. That doesn’t mean there still aren’t examples of a less than ideal duty day, but that sort of duty has been commonplace in recent memory, all for straight pay to boot.
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Not all unicorns and rainbows. Read the latest MEC Chair email. They will violate the contract whenever it pleases them. We in-turn will grieve and then you get a penance for it 3 years down the road. Pay rates are something they can't eff with and that's why I have always been a large proponent. I have never been a fan of soft pay/benefits. Precisely for the examples we are seeing now and pointed out by the MEC Chair. Are junior folks in BES really seeing seniors grab holiday flying? My guess is no. I know I wouldn't. I bid those days off for a reason. Deadheads are not working out as planned many things are not. Again, the MEC Chair highlighted but a few of the items DALPA is witnessing management blatantly violating in our PWA. It seems you guys are going to spend more time doing quality control on your time cards than in the past. That's again why I am a big pay rate guy. No trickery there. I was a barely "yes" vote on C19, main reason was the soft pay items - I thought management would not uphold their end. Seems to be trending that way right now.
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Funny, where did I mention anything about scope? Pay is pay. Always has been. Its something you can sue to get. Scope goes direct to court. Your soft pay won't until there's enough for the "class action level" to merit a fine from a filed grievance(s). You're new, so I will forgive your ignorance of this management team. It hasn't changed here in decades. they run the same playbook decade after decade. The fact the MEC Chairman is "shocked" that management is blatantly violating the C19 PWA, it speaks volumes. The union can't track it all. They rely on YOU to do that. As full implementation comes on board you're going to be real busy bird dogging your soft pay. I wrote about this months ago. It was one of my concerns about C19. Despite my concerns regarding soft pay I still voted yes. Still some goodness for the majority of the group in C19, but soft pay, you're going to have to fight for what you are supposed to contractually get.
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I am not sure how you can make this claim when the topic at hand is EDP pay, which is automated and shows up on the rotation and time card with no intervention required.
I’ll say it again- look at trips from pretty much any point in the last 3 years, then look at the September trips. There is a noticeable improvement. That doesn’t mean there still aren’t examples of a less than ideal duty day, but that sort of duty has been commonplace in recent memory, all for straight pay to boot.
I’ll say it again- look at trips from pretty much any point in the last 3 years, then look at the September trips. There is a noticeable improvement. That doesn’t mean there still aren’t examples of a less than ideal duty day, but that sort of duty has been commonplace in recent memory, all for straight pay to boot.
EDP is one of the few automated pay functions. Many others are done by hand. It's been published in memos. They're telling you it can take up to 14 days to receive based on the manual adjustments that have to be made. One example I'm hearing about is flying past 0159. Many are not getting the ADG for that. When inquiries are made, our pilots are being told its a manual adjustment and can take 14 days to show up. 14 days comes and goes and nothing. CPOs are aware and are trying to assist. What are the other automated functions available other than EDP that were not previously implemented for C19?
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Funny, where did I mention anything about scope? Pay is pay. Always has been. Its something you can sue to get. Scope goes direct to court. Your soft pay won't until there's enough for the "class action level" to merit a fine from a filed grievance(s). You're new, so I will forgive your ignorance of this management team. It hasn't changed here in decades. they run the same playbook decade after decade. The fact the MEC Chairman is "shocked" that management is blatantly violating the C19 PWA, it speaks volumes. The union can't track it all. They rely on YOU to do that. As full implementation comes on board you're going to be real busy bird dogging your soft pay. I wrote about this months ago. It was one of my concerns about C19. Despite my concerns regarding soft pay I still voted yes. Still some goodness for the majority of the group in C19, but soft pay, you're going to have to fight for what you are supposed to contractually get.
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Sorry I don't fly domestic so I don't have a reason to check out your trips. Int'l hasn't changed a whole lot. My indoc classmate is an NB A. He says where he's based not seeing a lot of improvement. 14% total commutability. Lots of august and september rotations are now going thru ATL whereas in the past they hardly ever touched it. He's not happy about that. The NE flying been paired back due this administration's lack of ability to staff ATC. So lots of trips are gone from the bid pack that he saw a year ago. He's gonna stay NB A since he's got not a whole lot of time left. Management will fix the issues with reroutes. They will violate the contract and DALPA will grieve it, but you're still gonna fly it. 27 months or more form now you'll get a penance of a settlement deposited in your bank account.
EDP is one of the few automated pay functions. Many others are done by hand. It's been published in memos. They're telling you it can take up to 14 days to receive based on the manual adjustments that have to be made. One example I'm hearing about is flying past 0159. Many are not getting the ADG for that. When inquiries are made, our pilots are being told its a manual adjustment and can take 14 days to show up. 14 days comes and goes and nothing. CPOs are aware and are trying to assist. What are the other automated functions available other than EDP that were not previously implemented for C19?
EDP is one of the few automated pay functions. Many others are done by hand. It's been published in memos. They're telling you it can take up to 14 days to receive based on the manual adjustments that have to be made. One example I'm hearing about is flying past 0159. Many are not getting the ADG for that. When inquiries are made, our pilots are being told its a manual adjustment and can take 14 days to show up. 14 days comes and goes and nothing. CPOs are aware and are trying to assist. What are the other automated functions available other than EDP that were not previously implemented for C19?
I do agree that the simpler (within reason) the PWA can be the better, we, the average line pilot can verify that the rules are being followed.
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Sorry I don't fly domestic so I don't have a reason to check out your trips. Int'l hasn't changed a whole lot. My indoc classmate is an NB A. He says where he's based not seeing a lot of improvement. 14% total commutability. Lots of august and september rotations are now going thru ATL whereas in the past they hardly ever touched it. He's not happy about that. The NE flying been paired back due this administration's lack of ability to staff ATC. So lots of trips are gone from the bid pack that he saw a year ago. He's gonna stay NB A since he's got not a whole lot of time left. Management will fix the issues with reroutes. They will violate the contract and DALPA will grieve it, but you're still gonna fly it. 27 months or more form now you'll get a penance of a settlement deposited in your bank account.
EDP is one of the few automated pay functions. Many others are done by hand. It's been published in memos. They're telling you it can take up to 14 days to receive based on the manual adjustments that have to be made. One example I'm hearing about is flying past 0159. Many are not getting the ADG for that. When inquiries are made, our pilots are being told its a manual adjustment and can take 14 days to show up. 14 days comes and goes and nothing. CPOs are aware and are trying to assist. What are the other automated functions available other than EDP that were not previously implemented for C19?
EDP is one of the few automated pay functions. Many others are done by hand. It's been published in memos. They're telling you it can take up to 14 days to receive based on the manual adjustments that have to be made. One example I'm hearing about is flying past 0159. Many are not getting the ADG for that. When inquiries are made, our pilots are being told its a manual adjustment and can take 14 days to show up. 14 days comes and goes and nothing. CPOs are aware and are trying to assist. What are the other automated functions available other than EDP that were not previously implemented for C19?
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Funny, where did I mention anything about scope? Pay is pay. Always has been. Its something you can sue to get. Scope goes direct to court. Your soft pay won't until there's enough for the "class action level" to merit a fine from a filed grievance(s). You're new, so I will forgive your ignorance of this management team. It hasn't changed here in decades. they run the same playbook decade after decade. The fact the MEC Chairman is "shocked" that management is blatantly violating the C19 PWA, it speaks volumes. The union can't track it all. They rely on YOU to do that. As full implementation comes on board you're going to be real busy bird dogging your soft pay. I wrote about this months ago. It was one of my concerns about C19. Despite my concerns regarding soft pay I still voted yes. Still some goodness for the majority of the group in C19, but soft pay, you're going to have to fight for what you are supposed to contractually get.
Personally, I’ll happily keep and hopefully add more soft pay functions, especially the ones that improve our schedules.
Enjoy your widebody oh senior sage.
Sincerely, “new” “ignorant” junior air mission.
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