Der Meister

Nope never got furloughed, the federal government paid for me to keep my job. But delta tried to get rid of me. So they could make the government money last as long as they could. Then they gave themselves one time management pay adjustments with the PSP money all while having 1700 pilots out on inactive states because they demoted them to it. Our current failures are management failure. Don't confuse my hatred of delta management for a hatred of delta. I like who I work for I just wish we had people that actually cared about the future of this company in management positions

fishforfun

Aren't you the one constantly saying not to compare FAs to pilots? What they get vs what we get? Now you are doing it? Why is this even a discussion? It has no bearing on our rules.

Planetrain

I re-read your posts and now understand what you’re saying.

Totally understand where you’re coming from. Friend to friend time to take a Delta break. Go see TopGun2, go wakeboarding, go grill some meat… Hope tomorrow’s a better day for you.

Der Meister

Thanks I take as much time from this company as I can. I don't expect anything from them and don't give them an extra minute I'm not paid for. I do fully enjoy my time off which explains why I hardly work a GS and never extend. Staffing is a management problem not a me problem. ED,JL, RG are the reason we are canceling flights the sooner we realize that and hold them accountable the better. Our picket signs should say "if your flight is canceled blame management ", "one time payment adjustments are a bonus"

sailingfun

I am the one who says that however I was responding to a post where it was claimed the flight attendants had 3 hours to report which was incorrect.

AirbusPTC

Oh I don't know Sailingfun, maybe you're stuck in the same mode as management (i.e. "but the pre-month construction cost-to-the-company is ALL THAT MATTERS"). Again, like I posted earlier, I'm not the one saying this...it's our man (BS) in Crew Resources Planning, Analytics & Reporting who admitted in a newsletter last year that flying 3, 4 and 5 days trips are MORE EXPENSIVE for Delta to operate than 1, 2 and 3-day trips. What matters is the "look-back" or "REAL COST" to Delta NOT THE PRE-MONTH construction. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO COVER THE TRIP THE WAY THE TRIP ACTUALLY GETS FLOWN!!!

BS said 3, 4 & 5-day trips are cheaper looking pre-month, but if you look-back post month to how those trips are actually flown they're more expensive. So I ask again...why does Delta build 95% of trips in many categories with 3-5 day trips?

Also, I find it unfair that the company can unilaterally change the trip mix to 95% 3, 4 and 5 day trips (like they did this January), but the pilot group historically gets in trouble for unilaterally withholding overtime flying when they are upset with the QOL and trip construction.

Meanwhile, while Ed's vacationing in Greece the "front-line" employees are getting their asses chewed out by our customers on a daily basis. Flight delays and cancellations are at record levels and what management is left in ATL, not on vacation, is saying "blah, blah, blah...COVID is to blame for flight cancellations" and worse yet our own UNION says, in the latest Air Line Pilot mag, there is NO PILOT SHORTAGE! GMAFB, whose side are they on?

sailingfun

I am telling you what I saw when we worked with real data for rotation construction. You had to preserve a large number of longer legs for the 3 and 4 day trips to keep credit down. I don’t know about after the fact however if it saved the company money don’t you think they would do it?
I do think I remember the communication you reference however I believe the statement was that shorter trips showed a advantage over longer trips post month relative to increased credit during trip coverage. It did not say however that it offset higher credit in trip construction. I don’t like long trips and have long ranted against them especially when we demanded the return of 5 day trips after the company stopped the practice. If the company did in fact say overall costs are cheaper with shorter trips the union would be all over them!!

fishforfun

Fair enough. Just trying to keep up.

AirbusPTC

BS did say the shorter trips are cheaper when "looking back" at how the trips were actually covered. My point is, how the trips are historically covered is ALL THAT MATTERS. IF when looking back at how the trips are covered it is cheaper for Delta to fly 1-day, 2-day and 3-day trips...then that is what we should be doing.

Having said that, I do appreciate your past efforts at trying to improve our rotations. I imagine you faced pushback from a number of folks huh?

Also, did the pilot group demand 5-day trips? When was this? I never remember ever being asked this in a survey or newsletter?

DWC CAP10 USAF

From the FA Work Rules, 2022 version, Chapter 5 (Access Days), page 99. It says they have 2 hours from notice...but notice has an * (much like Mark McGuire's HR record), then at the bottom of the page, it says

"*NOTE: 3 hours in NYC/LAX/FLM"