So they shouldn't talk about it at all? You guys are ridiculous.

How do you get that? I said they should give us a comprehensive rundown, not just a sell job that only spins the positives. Try to think critically and not just react.

You mean like automatically assuming it's a self job?

That's a bit kinky for this stuff but everyone has their thing I guess!

Also I didn't assume. I read it. And I said it doesn't give me confidence for what we'll see in the future. My point is clear, you're just arguing over semantics for the sake of arguing. Try to focus on what's important.

I'm saying that you've read one email and, instead of saying "gee there might be some good stuff in here" you jump to "SELL JOB!" Everyone wants more communication from their union but anytime they say anything that might be positive, the automatic assumption is either that they are management shills or it's a sell job.

Did they even mention any weaknesses or that they didn't get everything they wanted, or what they compromised on? You're trying to paint this in a binary light and it's not. My saying it doesn't give me confidence that it won't be a sell job does not equal "SELL JOB!". Why so obtuse? Are you the MEC attack dog or something? I don't doubt there might be some good stuff in there, I'm just worried the good stuff is all I'll hear about. Healthy skepticism isn't a bad thing, nor is thinking that we shouldn't just trust everything the MEC feeds us on the issue as the whole story.

MEC had to say something: there's no way they're going to get to an AIP on anything without rumors starting before the ink on the agreement is even dry.

"Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead." - BF

Which is why we can say "this sounds like a good deal" and then wait for the language and Q/A. You don't read only the headline of a 3 page news story and then say, "they only said 6 words about this story! Outrageous!" Well, you might. That's entirely possible

I'd hope its not so generic as just WB block hours. Yes, AF flying a 350 over here and we fly a 757 isn't counted. But what about in reverse? Say Virgin flys 20 321XLRs in a premium config like jetBlue wants to do, are we not viewing that as a threat because they aren't WB block hours? Could our Western EU partners grow 321XLR to USA with impunity? Another like minded example, Mexico-US transborder 1:1 ratio. Say we afix it to NB block hours, then AM flys a shiz ton of E190s or RJs transborder. Shouldn't we also be looking at revenue, block in additon to aircraft type? (Like RASM?) What was wrong with EASK?

Hopefully 1:1 is calculated through WB EASK.