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Old 06-15-2022 | 06:52 AM
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And the slow burn at Delta continues….
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Old 06-15-2022 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
And the slow burn at Delta continues….
I’m all for having a few contracts set the bar for us. Congrats to them.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:05 AM
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:29 AM
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Very thankful we did not go first this time.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:34 AM
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I'm not sure what the hand-wringing over this is about. If we got a TA with raises as small as theirs over a similar span this place would melt down.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken
I'm not sure what the hand-wringing over this is about. If we got a TA with raises as small as theirs over a similar span this place would melt down.
that’s what I was thinking too. Looks like since 2019 they have gotten

2020-4%
2021-3%
2022-3%

and if this passes it will be 3%/year for 2023-2025.

If DL offered us a 10.3% raise tomorrow with 3%/ year after (and no other contract improvements), all we would hear here is how much of a POS that hypothetical TA is.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
that’s what I was thinking too. Looks like since 2019 they have gotten

2020-4%
2021-3%
2022-3%

and if this passes it will be 3%/year for 2023-2025.

If DL offered us a 10.3% raise tomorrow with 3%/ year after (and no other contract improvements), all we would hear here is how much of a POS that hypothetical TA is.
This is almost comical. UPS has endorsed the concept of short modest on time agreements to keep raises coming. We have totally rejected that concept yet guys post the UPS agreement as something good. It’s just over 150 million a year. We demanded 3 billion a year!!
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
Very thankful we did not go first this time.
Technically we did go first, but ended up last. SF will be along shortly to promote small incremental gains and he won't be wrong. We should have had a modest increase in 2020 and used the current round as basis for our 2023 PWA. Now we are negotiating two cycles worth of contracts.

Edit: SF replied before I finished typing.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Technically we did go first, but ended up last. SF will be along shortly to promote small incremental gains and he won't be wrong. We should have had a modest increase in 2020 and used the current round as basis for our 2023 PWA. Now we are negotiating two cycles worth of contracts.

Edit: SF replied before I finished typing.
This ASSUMES our management team would have agreed to a short on time contract. Which I think is beyond optimistic.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 08:53 AM
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What % of pilots are on the top paying equipment at DL? 15% or so? And for how much of their careers? Maybe a quarter if they are very lucky? And that this occurs at the tail end of a career means that 16% (+ the pilots contribution) has less time to grow.
But I’m sure the leadership at ALPA will do all they can to get WB rates up at America’s biggest regional airline.
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