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Old 08-26-2022 | 02:28 AM
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20.4% over 3 years is paltry. American just threw $1.75B to PSA, Piedmont, and Envoy for their raises. APA is an embarrassment and I feel bad for the pilots over there. 20.4% over 3 years isn’t even a pay raise.
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Old 08-26-2022 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I saw a retro date of 1/1/22, but am curious when they had their last raise. Are they as far overdue as we are? If AA management is trying to skip out of a year or two of retro, we all know how the sell job will end.
last raise was same as us, 1/1/19. Their contract became amendable that date too, so a year longer than us.
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Old 08-26-2022 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
last raise was same as us, 1/1/19. Their contract became amendable that date too, so a year longer than us.
So they didn't get retro pay. Management got 3 years worth of labor at a huge discount.
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Old 08-26-2022 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
last raise was same as us, 1/1/19. Their contract became amendable that date too, so a year longer than us.
They got a pay raise on the amendable date? That took some forethought from the negotiation committee. Bravo.

I really hope they send this back. I could see 5/5/10 for the last three years, but 10/5/5 starting 1/1/22 is an embarrassment and an insult.
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Old 08-26-2022 | 08:33 PM
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago, Mesa FO's would be starting at $100hr, and legacy widebody FO's starting at ~$90hr.
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Old 08-26-2022 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Imagine telling someone 5 years ago, Mesa FO's would be starting at $100hr, and legacy widebody FO's starting at ~$90hr.
Crazy times.

“If wages are determined by demand and supply, then changes in demand and supply should affect wages. An increase in demand or a reduction in supply will raise wages; an increase in supply or a reduction in demand will lower them.”

https://open.lib.umn.edu/principleseconomics/chapter/12-3-labor-markets-at-work/

I don’t know the real time data on the current regional workforce but I’ve “heard” Mesa is down to 800 total pilots, and Gojet has under 100 Captains remaining. The regionals are drying up at the same rate as Lake Mead and the training programs that created the next generation of pilots will be wiped out if the regionals blow up. I can tell you at SkyWest we have 5000 pilots but only around 3,600 are actually flying the line.

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Old 08-27-2022 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Str8 Cash Homie
Crazy times.

“If wages are determined by demand and supply, then changes in demand and supply should affect wages. An increase in demand or a reduction in supply will raise wages; an increase in supply or a reduction in demand will lower them.”

https://open.lib.umn.edu/principlese...rkets-at-work/

I don’t know the real time data on the current regional workforce but I’ve “heard” Mesa is down to 800 total pilots, and Gojet has under 100 Captains remaining. The regionals are drying up at the same rate as Lake Mead and the training programs that created the next generation of pilots will be wiped out if the regionals blow up. I can tell you at SkyWest we have 5000 pilots but only around 3,600 are actually flying the line.
Why the discrepancy?
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Old 08-27-2022 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Imagine telling someone 5 years ago, Mesa FO's would be starting at $100hr, and legacy widebody FO's starting at ~$90hr.
I don’t see how this is sustainable for fee for departure carriers, and one known to be the cheapest of the bunch at that.
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Old 08-27-2022 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Why the discrepancy?
IOE and training delays, I bet
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Old 08-27-2022 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by captande
I don’t see how this is sustainable for fee for departure carriers, and one known to be the cheapest of the bunch at that.
Its not sustainable. It’s a band aid until either the shortage of pilots passes or they can accomplish a orderly shutdown. The CEO of United SK has already recognized and discussed this. Over ⅔’s of their RJ’s are going to be gone in the next 4 years.
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