My last comment on all this. The reserve GS rules have been around for decades. I am not even sure why they were written the way they were long ago. I agree it sort of doesn't make sense. "Back in the day" reserve GS were also very rare, so on the few occasions where they were passed out it didn't really matter much to the operation. Now that they are far more common the company is undoubtedly unhappy about the PB day provisions and all the rest.

But whether or not the reserve GS rules do or don't make sense to certain parties, the fact is, these are the rules we have. Many pilots like the rules and take full advantage of them. I can promise you that if a TA contained changes to the PB day rules (and they certainly wouldn't be changes in our favor), that would be a hard NO vote for many--especially in this environment now, when GS are in such abundance and the Rolling Thunder concept is real for many of us. Pilots would literally be enjoying the fruits of Rolling Thunder, pondering over a TA that would stop all that. It is easy to see why that would be an easy no vote for some. If this were a time where staffing was better and any GS, regular or reserve, was a rare thing, then the sentiment might be different.

 

You and Nontonaku fundamentally lack understanding about this subject.

 

We have wide body jets?

 

Are you in management? This sounds like something a management tool would say.

Just because you don’t understand RES GS/PBs doesn’t mean you should advocate for getting rid of one of the BEST parts of our contract. That’s absolutely insane.

And this is coming from someone who never green slips because I’m a commuter.

 

I mean I get the current system, and make full use of it, but that doesn't mean that I don't know the history behind how we got to where we are. It does make sense that whenever the concept of premium pay first came up, that everything would pay double regardless of your reg/res status. I do wonder which side first brought up the idea of using single pay/PB days for reserves vs double pay for reg.

 

When the airline is staffed correctly the PB day is NBD. Now, however...

 

I like and utilize PB days. Having said that, my bet is that less than 50.1% have gotten a PB in the last year. Of those, a % would rather have something else. Those who roll thunder or seek PB days will be very vocal, I just don’t think they have the numbers to stop a TA if that is the only contentious item.

 

Concessions in any form are non-starters. To get rid of PB days, any off time flying would have to 2x+ for reserves as well as line holders. Productivity gives are never regained.

 

I changed my mind on this because of banked PB days. If you get a PB in the month you are working then the company cannot use their discretion when placing the PB day. But a GS resulting in a banked PB day seems really similar to a reg GS and our whole conversation is about how a res GS hurts the company staffing and a reg GS helps it. You are trying to convince us essentially that a res GS is somehow good when compared to a reg GS. Yet a res GS still results in one working when the company is most desperate and can result in a banked PB day only to be used when the staffing levels are at their maximum level (or in many cases never used at all). That seems really similar to a reg GS if you are trying to paint one as bad and one as good. Their isn’t really much of a difference especially when you consider banked PB days can be impossible to use in many categories.

 

My category is raining greenslips and has about 175 people. Only 3 or 4 try to roll thunder.