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Old 08-08-2022 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
A reserve GS doesn't increase total days available is all we are saying.
No, that is not what FangsF15 was saying. He said we don't understand reserve GS's and that unlike reg GS a reserve greenslip is in a class of its own and hurts the company (almost like a res GS is a noble cause). This is patently false. If you are rolling thunder correctly there is usually little to no difference between a reg/res GS. He just doesn't fundamentally understand how PB days are banked and how people roll thunder.
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Old 08-08-2022 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
No, that is not what FangsF15 was saying. He said we don't understand reserve GS's and that unlike reg GS a reserve greenslip is in a class of its own and hurts the company (almost like a res GS is a noble cause). This is patently false. If you are rolling thunder correctly there is usually little to no difference between a reg/res GS. He just doesn't fundamentally understand how PB days are banked and how people roll thunder.
Are you under the impression that all PB days are banked?

I don’t understand why you think rolling thunder generates banked PB days.
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Old 08-08-2022 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
Are you under the impression that all PB days are banked?

I don’t understand why you think rolling thunder generates banked PB days.
I don't understand why you think a successfully executed rolling of thunder stops once you don't have any work days left. Also, I don't need to qualify my statements, I didn't make the original claim. Go back and read the discussion. They claimed all res GS = good.
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Old 08-08-2022 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I don't understand why you think a successfully executed rolling of thunder stops once you don't have any work days left. Also, I don't need to qualify my statements, I didn't make the original claim. Go back and read the discussion. They claimed all res GS = good.
Depends on your definition of success WRT to rolling thunder. My friends that do it don’t work more days than they would have had they not picked up GS’. The whole point of RES GS is that you can do the same (or less) amount of work for double the pay, not to just pick up as much flying as possible.

Some people may do that, but I’d wager the vast majority do not.
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Old 08-08-2022 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
Amazing how you are not associated with management but you know so much about their wants and desires. Really I appreciate you but I have to take you with a grain of salt.
Ok, the company loves paying pilots to sit home and has no desire to change a thing!
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Old 08-08-2022 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Ok, the company loves paying pilots to sit home and has no desire to change a thing!
A well-run operation actually has pilots in every category sitting at home waiting to fill a need. When you don’t have pilots sitting at home (which the company loves, I think we can agree), you can’t handle IROPs - be they externally- or internally-caused.

What the company desires is not wise, nor sustainable, nor ultimately successful. They want every reserve pilot to fly at or above reserve guarantee for straight pay. Simultaneously they wish to be the most reliable airline that businesses will continue to pay a significant premium to fly. Management wants to demand premium revenue without paying premium compensation. As I repeat often…you get what you pay for.
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Old 08-08-2022 | 01:24 PM
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There is a huge difference in what a reserve vs regular GS does for the company. Someone posted an example of block flown vs credit as someone that does reserve GS. That may help the company on that specific day but it hurts in the long run, plus pays on top of guarantee plus gives a PB day. A regular GS bails out the company’s manning problem for a little extra money. No extra days off.
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Old 08-08-2022 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
A regular GS bails out the company’s manning problem for a little extra money.
And if it’s a first-year newbie on double pay ( or less, as the green slip may or may not even all pay double), it’s quite a deal indeed!
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Old 08-08-2022 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
No, that is not what FangsF15 was saying. He said we don't understand reserve GS's and that unlike reg GS a reserve greenslip is in a class of its own and hurts the company (almost like a res GS is a noble cause). This is patently false. If you are rolling thunder correctly there is usually little to no difference between a reg/res GS. He just doesn't fundamentally understand how PB days are banked and how people roll thunder.
SMH, no you don’t understand. Nothing you said is true.

I’m not posting my stats publicly, but I’ll send them to you via PM. Trust me, they’re eye-watering. I fully understand how it works.

At the end of the day, the main/original point was that those who throw shade on all GS’s, and chest pound over only having a GSWC in, need to understand that a Res GS works almost exactly like a GSWC. Except a Res GS is even better, IMO.
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Old 08-08-2022 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
There is a huge difference in what a reserve vs regular GS does for the company. Someone posted an example of block flown vs credit as someone that does reserve GS. That may help the company on that specific day but it hurts in the long run, plus pays on top of guarantee plus gives a PB day. A regular GS bails out the company’s manning problem for a little extra money. No extra days off.
A res GS often results in this same result - a banked PB you can never use and you end up with a little extra money for it. I had two PB days for 6 months and never worked on a single blue day so I was never able to use them. Besides, the goal is to cash out PB days anyway for most people. Even if you are able to use it for a day off it is on a day that does nothing to hurt staffing. Anyway, if we are all taking the 0 concessions stand then sure, I'm on board, no concessions. TA2 had 0 concessions?
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