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#561
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It moves a reserve pilot from the future when the company might need the reserve to now when the company definitely needs the reserve. It’s a green slip. It prevents a lineholder from doing a GSWC since it’s higher on the ladder. Reserve does his GS blocking senior lineholder from doing GSWC, then tells said lineholders that reserve GS’s are okay but lineholders’ GS are not.
Do you really feel that a reserve should eat crap, fly 18 days for reserve guarantee or slightly more, sit several short calls, and otherwise get walloped by crew scheduling, vs never sit one day of call, fly fewer hours and get paid far, far more? That almost sounds like "you'll be senior someday" elitism.
Rolling Thunder isn't for everyone. You have to first be in a category where multiple GS are pretty much guaranteed. That doesn't happen often and shouldn't either. Beyond that if you find yourself in such a category you then have to plan on flying on your days off so that then your original on call days become days off. Not every pilot's family and personal life can accommodate that.
But, if all that applies, you should check it out sometime. You just might like it.
#562
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The company didn’t need you otherwise the PB wouldn’t have been accepted. They needed you real bad when you picked up the GS. And that is the whole
point of this conversation - people trying to say a GS on res isn’t the same as a reg GS. It is a blatant lie.
Feel free to help yourself all you want but don’t act like it is a noble cause because it isn’t. The lessons to be drawn here are similar to the Tragedy Of The Commons.
point of this conversation - people trying to say a GS on res isn’t the same as a reg GS. It is a blatant lie.
Feel free to help yourself all you want but don’t act like it is a noble cause because it isn’t. The lessons to be drawn here are similar to the Tragedy Of The Commons.
#563
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Some categories are extremely different than others on staffing. Check out 73NB and 320B. The Res GS ninjas definitely have a pretty amazing thing going on. If they can drop their PB days pre-month early on blue days, it just gives more “X” days they use to Res GS by the time the day arrives. There are no unused Res Bs ever in any of these categories. It’s a complete whiplash from the VEOP/MOAD/UNA train wreck.
330A and 7ERA are not the same. You won’t understand.
You guys are talking past each other because you live in different worlds.
330A and 7ERA are not the same. You won’t understand.
You guys are talking past each other because you live in different worlds.
#564
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From: Pilot
It moves a reserve pilot from the future when the company might need the reserve to now when the company definitely needs the reserve. It’s a green slip. It prevents a lineholder from doing a GSWC since it’s higher on the ladder. Reserve does his GS blocking senior lineholder from doing GSWC, then tells said lineholders that reserve GS’s are okay but lineholders’ GS are not.
Also, just like no one is telling line holders not to do GS, saying that a reserve should skip GS so that a reg pilot can get GSWC is completely false. For one, all that is really going to do is allow another reg pilot to get GS #1, 2, 3, etc. Plus the company has shown a nearly complete unwillingness to use GSWC during this staffing crisis. They will end up just splitting the trip and otherwise cover it via GS or RR, or just cancel the flight.
#565
Weekends are when staffing is shortest. If a pilot can’t hold weekends off but flies a greenslip on weekdays when staffing is “better” thus getting their weekend off, is that the same as a regular flying a greenslip on the weekdays and then also flying their trip on the weekend? If categories end the month with zero available reserves because they are full/payback day covered, does that help the company? What are you taking issue with?
#566
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So this one issue that effects 4 people in each category and only 2% of us have ever used this provision yet it is somehow an automatic no vote if it gets changed? I literally can’t remember flying with someone that can give me advice on rolling thunder because no one has done it. I don’t think you are right. There are more automatic no votes for lack of medical freedom than for reserve rule GS changes.
#567
Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish;[url=tel:3473695
3473695[/url]]Line rumor - TA projected in Oct. includes pay banding. Retro equivalent to any Feb 2023 PS payout so it’s a wash for the company. No medical protections or privacy so far.
no top men have been consulted in this rumor….
no top men have been consulted in this rumor….
let’s not do that.
#568
Originally Posted by Nantonaku;[url=tel:3473975
3473975[/url]]So this one issue that effects 4 people in each category and only 2% of us have ever used this provision yet it is somehow an automatic no vote if it gets changed? I literally can’t remember flying with someone that can give me advice on rolling thunder because no one has done it. I don’t think you are right. There are more automatic no votes for lack of medical freedom than for reserve rule GS changes.
#569
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