The Contract Awareness updates regarding strike preparations are encouraging.

3-6 months strike preparedness funds. And possibly double that.

Interesting.

 

Full retro (even if it's just 3-4% a year for 2020 and 2021) including retirees otherwise it sets a horrible precedent.

 

One way to look at it could be via the chart in the recent C44 update showing month-over-month and cumulative inflation (using CPI) since January 19. The dip from the effects of COVID-19 is already baked into the cake if a "raise" and retro is based off inflation metrics.

 

One one hand: If this turns into a full blown strike, the early outs don't exactly have skin in the game anymore (assuming the business doesn't close and a 1+ salary doesn't disappear in Ch. 7)

On the other hand: they were here the longest, have been through it all, and most of the contract gains we have at this point are probably due to their efforts over the decades.

Hard lean "yes" on any retro going to the early outs.

Always remind myself that there is an excellent chance that the PTB had an inside track on any government cheddar long before it was announced to the general public...and they still chose no SLI's and 2000+ early outs (god only knows how many more non-contract "expensive/experienced" employees). While also publicly stating the future of the company was 7000 or so pilots on the list for the foreseeable future.

 

Retirees and VEOP or retirees?

I know a VEOP guy who’s a captain out of Cvg on a 767 right now flying turns a few nights a month. Trumping his DL salary. VEOP was a side deal and is done.

Retirees, I’d be on board with.

 

Yeah, I think VEOP was a one time deal on the side like you said. So there's a case for no retro there, except for the hours they actually worked during 2020/2021 before their VEOP dates.

 

there is zero chance the government allows us to go on strike.

 

What on earth could there otherwise be? Retro for work after the amendable date up to retirement is EARNED income that they have yet to receive Whether they left because of VEOP, normal 'retirement' early 'retirement' or even DIED, it does not matter. If they worked one minute after Jan 1 2020, DAL owes them money. Period. There is no question about that.

What is this 'one time deal' you are talking about?

 

What on earth are you talking about? Are you saying that a VEOP participant would not be entitled to any retro?

 

some posters have alluded to retro should be applied to the VEOP payments themselves. As in the 58 hours a month they get. I think that is where this statement comes from.

the VEOP itself is the “one time deal” he is talking about. The VEOP and it’s payments were a one time deal and thus should not be subject to any retro reconciliation.

at least that is how I read it.