Sorta like in congress when they argue about the minimum wage.....why not set it and let inflation take over.....oh yeah that takes away the political club to strike thy opponent with when needed.

 

The nation has not seen inflation like this in over 40 years. Someone mentioned a month or so ago that when Federal Reserve Notes depreciate by only 1 or 1.5% per year, a delayed airline contract still keeps pay rates nearly the same until the next signing date, and the effects in an inflating currency are nearly undetectable. However, the deficiencies of our "system" become quite conspicuous with high inflation.

The jobs program argument could have some merit; but I still argue that the CPI+ auto-increase would best protect the pilots from either company or union delays.

A5S

 

Honestly, it seems we’re making this more complicated than it needs to be. One thing that would be pretty easy to add would be one last pay raise ON the amendable date. Having that on our last contract would have given us another raise on 1/1/2020. All we’d really need after that is another single year of some increase (3%, CPI+, whatever). Those two items alone would buy us two additional years of raises, and if it’s taking us 3+ years past amendable to get a new contract, then there’s something pretty major probably going on in the background to make that happen (like a pandemic). And even if another negotiations do run more than 2 years past the amendable date, having my proposed items would also greatly lower the retro that the company would have to pay, making it much easier to get full retro whenever a deal is done.

 

I called him weak because his mentality of, “We can’t ask for too much or the NMB will park us” is a big part of the reason our profession has continued to erode over the decades.

NOW is the time to make contract gains that restore our profession and compensation to where is should be given the responsibility and liability we accept every time we push the thrust levers up.

Now is definitely not the time to be making claims such as “We’re asking for too much”, “They’re going to park us”, etc.

In other words, if you’re at Delta, SWA, UAL, or whenever….now’s the time to “grow a set”.

 

Just curious why you think this would be easy to add? I suspect management would have a different definition of easy!

 

Well I meant that it’d be easier to add compared to CPI+ raises for an unlimited number of years past the amendable date. No way the company ever goes for that. My idea is at least reasonable in scope.

 

Delta has only a single supplier for pilot labor. Every other contract they have has provisions for cost escalation or they are renegotiated in a timely manner. Fools are the only ones willing to accept a wage rate for a fixed year in perpetuity. You are buying a rental home in a rent controlled capped area and the expenses continue to increase with no capital appreciation. Except, the house is literally your lifetime earnings. This is insane, no real business person would accept these hand cuffs. You don't have to either. We are collectively ignorami when it comes to negotiating in this environment. (RLA)

 

[QUOTE=WHACKMASTER;3485974]I called him weak because his mentality of, “We can’t ask for too much or the NMB will park us” is a big part of the reason our profession has continued to erode over the decades.

NOW is the time to make contract gains that restore our profession and compensation to where is should be given the responsibility and liability we accept every time we push the thrust levers up.
Now is definitely not the time to be making claims such as “We’re asking for too much”, “They’re going to park us”, etc.

In other words, if you’re at Delta, SWA, UAL, or whenever….now’s the time to “grow a set”.[/QUOTE

Well, we did ask for too much and we did get parked. This isn’t a hypothetical, it’s history. We could have had modest work rule gains and modest 12-15% raises 3 years ago and now be negotiating for an additional 15-20%. I’d be at around $360/hr now and this new contract would compound on top of that. Instead I’ve gotten nothing and now the baseline is $298/hr (my seat/category). TVM exists, it’s reality and it’s simple math.

Nope. Our MEC was highjacked by a very vocal minority that was pushing for a near tripling of our contract cost AND they wanted a Lump sum put into their MCBP…but only for a very few at the very top. When you go in and ask for a 50% raise, 25% DC and a million lump sum…you get laughed out of the room…

And that’s exactly what the Company did after 1week and we’ve been parked ever since.

 

[QUOTE=Softheborder;3486088]Wow, I wish I had a crystal ball like yours. 12-15% was a given, nice. What was the QOL and retirement like in unicorn land?

 

[QUOTE=notEnuf;3486092]How’s your QOL & payraises been the past 3 years??? Oh yeah…that’s right…none. Go ahead and keep DEMANDING see how far that gets.