30% Raise DOS and 25% DC
08-29-2022 | 08:28 AM
#111
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I also would like to have had a contract already. Unlike you, I’m not willing to watch a company making billions in profit request further erosions on QOL because they want to reduce costs YOY into perpetuity. Costs can only go down so far, and people can only be pushed so hard. Now, since they’ve dragged this out, I expect a larger raise to keep up with inflation to go along with my QOL improvements.
08-29-2022 | 08:32 AM
#112
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I also would like to have had a contract already. Unlike you, I’m not willing to watch a company making billions in profit request further erosions on QOL because they want to reduce costs YOY into perpetuity. Costs can only go down so far, and people can only be pushed so hard. Now, since they’ve dragged this out, I expect a larger raise to keep up with inflation to go along with my QOL improvements.
Agreed 100%. How these companies can expect to cut costs every year, year after year is beyond me.
08-29-2022 | 08:39 AM
#113
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08-29-2022 | 08:44 AM
#114
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[QUOTE=Softheborder;3486088]
13 posts? You don't have as much credibility as you think you do.
I called him weak because his mentality of, “We can’t ask for too much or the NMB will park us” is a big part of the reason our profession has continued to erode over the decades.
NOW is the time to make contract gains that restore our profession and compensation to where is should be given the responsibility and liability we accept every time we push the thrust levers up.
Now is definitely not the time to be making claims such as “We’re asking for too much”, “They’re going to park us”, etc.
In other words, if you’re at Delta, SWA, UAL, or whenever….now’s the time to “grow a set”.[/QUOTE
Well, we did ask for too much and we did get parked. This isn’t a hypothetical, it’s history. We could have had modest work rule gains and modest 12-15% raises 3 years ago and now be negotiating for an additional 15-20%. I’d be at around $360/hr now and this new contract would compound on top of that. Instead I’ve gotten nothing and now the baseline is $298/hr (my seat/category). TVM exists, it’s reality and it’s simple math.
Nope. Our MEC was highjacked by a very vocal minority that was pushing for a near tripling of our contract cost AND they wanted a Lump sum put into their MCBP…but only for a very few at the very top. When you go in and ask for a 50% raise, 25% DC and a million lump sum…you get laughed out of the room…
And that’s exactly what the Company did after 1week and we’ve been parked ever since.
NOW is the time to make contract gains that restore our profession and compensation to where is should be given the responsibility and liability we accept every time we push the thrust levers up.
Now is definitely not the time to be making claims such as “We’re asking for too much”, “They’re going to park us”, etc.
In other words, if you’re at Delta, SWA, UAL, or whenever….now’s the time to “grow a set”.[/QUOTE
Well, we did ask for too much and we did get parked. This isn’t a hypothetical, it’s history. We could have had modest work rule gains and modest 12-15% raises 3 years ago and now be negotiating for an additional 15-20%. I’d be at around $360/hr now and this new contract would compound on top of that. Instead I’ve gotten nothing and now the baseline is $298/hr (my seat/category). TVM exists, it’s reality and it’s simple math.
Nope. Our MEC was highjacked by a very vocal minority that was pushing for a near tripling of our contract cost AND they wanted a Lump sum put into their MCBP…but only for a very few at the very top. When you go in and ask for a 50% raise, 25% DC and a million lump sum…you get laughed out of the room…
And that’s exactly what the Company did after 1week and we’ve been parked ever since.
08-29-2022 | 08:48 AM
#115
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[QUOTE=Nantonaku;3486139]Based on WMASTERs "bio", I'd guess he's a very disgruntled SWA employee who was jammed up in the Southwest/AirTran merger.
Getting on the Delta forum and venting seems like a weird thing to do. Takes all kinds.
Getting on the Delta forum and venting seems like a weird thing to do. Takes all kinds.
08-29-2022 | 11:02 AM
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I also would like to have had a contract already. Unlike you, I’m not willing to watch a company making billions in profit request further erosions on QOL because they want to reduce costs YOY into perpetuity. Costs can only go down so far, and people can only be pushed so hard. Now, since they’ve dragged this out, I expect a larger raise to keep up with inflation to go along with my QOL improvements.
08-29-2022 | 11:41 AM
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You seem so certain we could have gotten 12-15% immediately upon the amendable date, to be that certain seemed you weren't pushing for anything else.
08-29-2022 | 12:12 PM
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[QUOTE=Softheborder;3486099]QOL has partly sucked, including on things like DH that the company wouldn’t budge on and got us parked. I will continue demanding full retro, and see how it goes… and only after we have an implemented new contract will I be able to tell you how I feel about my raises for the last three years.
08-29-2022 | 02:57 PM
#120
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
I agree with your point, but regional work rules and other benefits still suck in comparison to ours
