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Old 08-31-2022 | 11:10 AM
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Background…I’m in no way a financial guy. I have a surface understanding of various investment strategies. Also, I am not involved with it…I just invest the money and let it ride.

How does the delta/fidelity program with its fee structure compare to hiring a dedicated local financial advisor?

If I just let the investments run with its current lifecycle fund, am I paying management fees that are hidden? My local guy says I can bring that all under him and have a more focused and personalized strategy for a 1.3% annual fee.

What do you guys think?
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Old 08-31-2022 | 11:15 AM
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Background…I’m in no way a financial guy. I have a surface understanding of various investment strategies. Also, I am not involved with it…I just invest the money and let it ride.

How does the delta/fidelity program with its fee structure compare to hiring a dedicated local financial advisor?

If I just let the investments run with its current lifecycle fund, am I paying management fees that are hidden? My local guy says I can bring that all under him and have a more focused and personalized strategy for a 1.3% annual fee.

What do you guys think?
1.3% seems really high. I'd do more research on it. And there's nothing wrong with passive investing. Put your money in a very low expense index fund.
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Old 08-31-2022 | 11:17 AM
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1.3%?! That’s high.
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Old 08-31-2022 | 11:30 AM
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I think for most of us maxing out the 401k and letting it ride in a low expense index fund is the way to go. 1.3% is absolutely brutal and it’s extremely unlikely he’s going to beat the index over 30 years by that much, if at all.
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Old 08-31-2022 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by GrummanIron
Background…I’m in no way a financial guy. I have a surface understanding of various investment strategies. Also, I am not involved with it…I just invest the money and let it ride.

How does the delta/fidelity program with its fee structure compare to hiring a dedicated local financial advisor?

If I just let the investments run with its current lifecycle fund, am I paying management fees that are hidden? My local guy says I can bring that all under him and have a more focused and personalized strategy for a 1.3% annual fee.

What do you guys think?
I’m on a similar plan - ie let it ride. I used the Lifecycle fund for the first couple years and then gave Financial Engines a try when they were offering 6 months for free.

After all that I took a little bit of time and ran out the calculations using their ER’s (annual fees) and the impact on compounded returns over several decades.

My takeaway was I could basically build the same thing using the cheap (low fee) index funds available in the 401k.

If all you’re doing is index set & forget investing, which supposedly outperforms active mgmt over the long haul, I think you’ll find that 1.3% is a ridiculously high price to pay.

Don’t take anyone else’s word for it though. Go play around with a compound interest calculator and consider that your investment guy needs to outperform his fee just to get you back to where you’d be with passive indexing.
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Old 08-31-2022 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GrummanIron
Background…I’m in no way a financial guy. I have a surface understanding of various investment strategies. Also, I am not involved with it…I just invest the money and let it ride.

How does the delta/fidelity program with its fee structure compare to hiring a dedicated local financial advisor?

If I just let the investments run with its current lifecycle fund, am I paying management fees that are hidden? My local guy says I can bring that all under him and have a more focused and personalized strategy for a 1.3% annual fee.

What do you guys think?

A small percentage of the financial advisors will beat the market by 1.3% in any given year, but few will repetitively or consistently beat it by that amount. Most will underperform it:

And here are some highlights of the 2018 Mid-Year SPIVA US Scorecard (bold added):
  • Despite the market turmoil seen in the first quarter of 2018, the U.S. equity market posted positive returns over the 12-month period ending June 30, 2018, with small-cap stocks leading the pack. The S&P SmallCap 600 reported 20.50%, while the S&P 500 and the S&P MidCap 400 posted 14.37% and 13.50%, respectively.
  • During the one-year period ending June 30, 2018, the overall percentage of all domestic funds outperforming the S&P Composite 1500 increased (42.02%) compared with six months prior (36.57%).
  • Over the one-year period, 63.46% of large-cap managers, 54.18% of mid-cap managers, and 72.88% of small-cap managers underperformed the S&P 500, the S&P MidCap 400, and the S&P SmallCap 600, respectively.
  • Despite small-cap equity performing the best, more small-cap managers underperformed the S&P SmallCap 600 over the one-year period compared with results from six months prior.
  • Overall performance of active equity funds relative to their respective benchmarks over the medium term also improved, although the majority still underperformed their benchmarks. Over the five-year period, 76.49% of large-cap managers, 81.74% of mid-cap managers, and 92.90% of small-cap managers lagged their respective benchmarks.
  • Similarly, over the 15-year investment horizon, 92.43% of large-cap managers, 95.13% of mid-cap managers, and 97.70% of small-cap managers failed to outperform on a relative basis.
MP: Stated differently, over the last 15 years from June 30, 2003 to June 30, 2018, only one in 13 large-cap managers, only one in 21 mid-cap managers, and one in 43 small-cap managers were able to outperform their benchmark index. So it is possible for some active fund managers to “beat the market” over various time horizons, although there’s no guarantee that they will continue to do so in the future. And the percentage of active managers who do beat the market is usually pretty small – fewer than 8% in most of the cases above over the last 15 years; and they may not sustain that performance in the future. For many investors, the ability to invest in low-cost, passive, unmanaged index funds and outperform 92% of high-fee, highly paid, professional active fund managers seems like a no-brainer, especially considering it requires no research or time trying to find the active managers who beat the market in the past and might do so in the future.

Here’s an analogy, perhaps it’s not perfect: Suppose you could be guaranteed to score in the 95th percentile on the LSAT, MCAT, GRE, or GMAT exam without studying for even one minute. Wouldn’t that be appealing to most people compared to the alternative of spending a lot of time studying and probably getting a lower score? If I can out-perform 95% of active managers with a Vanguard or Fidelity index fund for almost free (0.04% expense ratio), that choice to me seems easy: go with index investing.

Unless you are a member of Congress, or otherwise have insider information, that you think you can use WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT, I’d just index.
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Old 08-31-2022 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GrummanIron
Background…I’m in no way a financial guy. I have a surface understanding of various investment strategies. Also, I am not involved with it…I just invest the money and let it ride.

How does the delta/fidelity program with its fee structure compare to hiring a dedicated local financial advisor?

If I just let the investments run with its current lifecycle fund, am I paying management fees that are hidden? My local guy says I can bring that all under him and have a more focused and personalized strategy for a 1.3% annual fee.

What do you guys think?
After having my $$ managed for a few years by an private investment group, I did some comparing and realized a S&P 500 index fund beat them 4/5 years. I dropped them and put 80% in the Fidelity S&P 500 index fund and never looked back. Doing just fine, no worry either.
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Old 08-31-2022 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
After having my $$ managed for a few years by an private investment group, I did some comparing and realized a S&P 500 index fund beat them 4/5 years. I dropped them and put 80% in the Fidelity S&P 500 index fund and never looked back. Doing just fine, no worry either.
I almost feel guilty for only having an index fund but this kind of data helps. Thanks!
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Old 08-31-2022 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
After having my $$ managed for a few years by an private investment group, I did some comparing and realized a S&P 500 index fund beat them 4/5 years. I dropped them and put 80% in the Fidelity S&P 500 index fund and never looked back. Doing just fine, no worry either.
This is the way. Pay for a one-time consultation with an advisor when you’re in the dos comma club and retirement is on the horizon. Until then, VTSAX and chill.
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Old 08-31-2022 | 01:43 PM
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Check out bogleheads. https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio
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