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TegridyFarms 09-13-2022 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3493959)
Did you think nobody would do the math on this? [emoji23]

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So what!!!! Do the math… the result is that it’s a management issue, not a pilot issue. A properly staffed airline and not selling seats on airplanes we don’t have pilots for would’ve fixed this problem. They either needed to pull down flying, increase hiring, or cancel flights. They’re doing a combination of those things now.

This is a result of poor management decisions circa March 2020 to present day!

boog123 09-13-2022 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3494066)
You clearly dont have any friends at AA. A short trip over to AA sub verifies thats a lie

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It’s a lie I don’t have friends at American or it’s a lie what your posting on SM?

Trip7 09-13-2022 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3494073)
So what!!!! Do the math… the result is that it’s a management issue, not a pilot issue. A properly staffed airline and not selling seats on airplanes we don’t have pilots for would’ve fixed this problem. They either needed to pull down flying, increase hiring, or cancel flights. They’re doing a combination of those things now.



This is a result of poor management decisions circa March 2020 to present day!

LMAO. Someone puts out extremely erroneous information and you say so what and go into a vent. You arent wrong about the issues you mentioned but there is no need to promote erroneous information to make a case.

If PB days are an untouchable item for the pilot group then the Union will let the company know and the process will continue.

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Bait 09-13-2022 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3493926)
You are correct. They can pull out of Australia. Problem solved.

Australia is all 4-day trips with late sign ins. Easily covered by reserves bidding minimum blocks.

edit—several folks beat me to it

sailingfun 09-13-2022 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Bait (Post 3494140)
Australia is all 4-day trips with late sign ins. Easily covered by reserves bidding minimum blocks.

edit—several folks beat me to it

FRMS

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Nantonaku 09-13-2022 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3493953)
Our reserve system was never built to handle international flying with long trips. The domestic issues the company also has I agree are self inflicted.

Surprising, being that Delta has been an International airline since 1953. You'd think they would figure it out by now. They had 777's for 21 years. That is a long time to not figure out the reserve system. Especially when they were able to drag the contract through the mud during BK. Trip keeps saying this is the best airline management team in the world. How could the best airline management team in the world not be able to figure out a simple reserve system to handle long haul international flying?

Gunfighter 09-13-2022 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3493993)
It’s NOT only a reserve issue. PB days are the penalty to the company for running too hot. Running too hot makes EVERYONE’s rotations crappier.

Can I get an AMEN!! Our PWA has built in protections against poor staffing. Imagine if we had something as effective as PB days for scope violations.

sailingfun 09-13-2022 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3494166)
Surprising, being that Delta has been an International airline since 1953. You'd think they would figure it out by now. They had 777's for 21 years. That is a long time to not figure out the reserve system. Especially when they were able to drag the contract through the mud during BK. Trip keeps saying this is the best airline management team in the world. How could the best airline management team in the world not be able to figure out a simple reserve system to handle long haul international flying?

When I got hired we had one trip to London and maybe Frankfurt. The international flying has evolved a bit since then as well as the FAR’s.

Gooner 09-13-2022 10:47 AM

Looking to kill PB days to fix some International reserve coverage issues is like buying a whole construction company so you can dig a hole in your backyard. It gets the job done but wow, wrong solution.

In a way I hope it is a company ask, it makes them sound more ridiculous than how sailing makes ALPA sound. I highly doubt this is a real talk at the table, maybe casually mentioned mostly in jest.

LeineLodge 09-13-2022 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3494175)
Can I get an AMEN!! Our PWA has built in protections against poor staffing. Imagine if we had something as effective as PB days for scope violations.

Except they don't seem interested in fixing the root cause of the "excessive" PB days. They probing to see if we're dumb enough to waive them away instead.


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