Thought they changed the system a few years back in where you can't get a trip back after giving it away without a trip going through open time.......

oops, now see that someone mentioned this a few pages back....sorry.

The only solution is to abandon a market completely? And this is why we believe you are on the management payroll. YGTBSM

How often are these trips needing reserves to cover them? That is the problem. More reserves is the answer, so... staffing, not reserve rules is the issue.

4 days of availability covers any international trip. 5 if you are talking FRMS. 4 and 5 day trips are covered every day without issue. This is either a cost issue or a staffing issue for management and either way their solution reduces QOL. This temporary "need" doesn't warrant a permanent degradation.

I'd agree to eliminate PBs if they eliminate GSs, only GSWC from now on. And reserves are only on call for guarantee divided by 5:15. 72 hour reserve, 14 on call days. 82 hour reserve, on call 16 days.

In other words... my counter is too expensive for them to be serious so... moving on. ESN

Does an x day count as frms rest?

Right. That doesn't mean they're only going after a "one concession to rule them all" approach for PB days though.

Maybe they are. But maybe they just want to address the admittedly ridiculous concept of a PB or even a one minute partial PR turning into 15 hours of pay, drop pick up drop pick drop pick up, 300+ (up to 700 according to some) hour months.

Or maybe they're playing 4D chess because they know we'll gladly go 20 years without a contract before we touch any "good deal" like that because the false hope it provides is too intoxicating.

Rolling thunder is part of the game and fair and square. But I have no desire to keep at any cost a handful of million dollar pilots, triple dippers and PB day scammers that drop and pick up the same trip 20 times.

IMO a TA that eliminates reserve PB days entirely (as per the crew van rumor mill on this) would never get past MEMRAT. That would be a massive concession. Same for OE trips removed from your line being subject to draconian coverage obligations like it was before. There are some "good deals" that simply can't be touched. But 51% (probably 97%) won't go to the mat to defend 3 or 4 guys scamming for 300-700 a month (even if it isn't every month) because that "good deal" means nothing to the rest of us.

If you are getting enough PBs for your "scam" you have worked during a lot of days you should have been off. Even if there are people getting 300 hours or 15 hours of pay for a 1 minute timing issue (worst case scenario and completely unrealistic) it's less than 5 and not repeatable. Complete BS argument.

So the company has identified an area they don’t like which is a result of being undermanned. And they want US to fix the problem they created and just realized has a negative outcome (in their opinion) by eliminating an incentive to work massive amounts of time when you are supposed to be off? Explain again why this is anyway a pilot problem to solve. And it’s not from the van driver, it came directly from the MEC that they want to make changes to our PB system. The company has full control to limit the amount of PB days handed out. So let them control it.

exactly. I don’t really know why they care so much either. we’re hiring 200 a month, staffing will entirely catch up and PB days will be a rarity. The fact that they seem to want to get rid of it is indicating they’re eventually going to want to prematurely ease hiring and staff like they did in 2019.