this x 1000. This sounds to me like they view 2019 levels as a staffing goal, but trying to cut out on GS/PB days. They would only want this if they plan to run an operation where rolling thunder is possible on a long term basis.

hard pass on permanent staffing concessions, especially PB days.

What’s extremely erroneous information? I don’t read every post on here. I have a life. I read your post which stated “they didn’t think anyone would do the math on this?”

Who gives a rip about the math. Payback days are in place to hold the optimizer accountable. I used the term optimizer so I don’t offend you and your love for management. Reserve pilots should not be stockpiling payback days in a perfect world. It happens because our staffing is broke. As I receive my 8th greenslip call in the last 14 hours.

"Pilots spreading management propaganda"
 

This has been going on my entire career. I have always wondered how said individuals get recruited for these tasks? Is it similar to a LCA or SLI inteview/board or is it just a secret text that pops through in the wee hours?

Just like any bureaucracy, the good worker drone thinks that by verbally affirming theirloyalty he/she will move up in the organization. He/she is thinking as an individual and not as a group. I get it for those with 4th floor aspirations, but often times people believe they are queens instead of pawns. It’s like those cheap movies where the character who helped the bad person gets screwed over by the same bad character.

I wouldn’t get worked up about this. There’s a lot of speculation, BS, and perhaps some decent info flying around. It’s always like this at this point of the process.

By definition, anything is potentially on the table. That’s a negotiation. That doesn’t mean anything is likely. I personally have not seen or heard any support for changing this particular aspect of the contract. On a philosophical level I would oppose giving up payback days without a substantial and definable offsetting gain. Is that possible? I have no idea. I’ll cross that bridge if it happens when any TA is achieved.

Stay cool and voice your opposition to your rep. Different demographics have different priorities. All are as valid as any other. Somehow we will get an agreement that represents a balance. If not, the TA will die on the vine.

A voice of reason and experience! I remember a paraphrased version of this message coming from a "wise old captain" during my first PWA. In the absence of verifiable information, the void is filled with speculation.

Spot on. Its a negotiation. There has been no indication of what compensation Management is willing to trade for PB days. If Management was willing to pay 500% Reserve Greenslip all of a sudden the folks with pitchforks would say what's a Payback Day? [emoji23]

I think this will end up like the 50 additional large RJs debacle that almost hung up C2015. Management wants something that theybend up not wanting to pay for. MEC eventually cleared the NC to negotiate and Management in front of the mediator decided the additional RJs were not that important to them

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Do some of you not have any additional intellectual capability to use some sort of different rebuttal other than someone is trying to move up to the 4th floor? Anyone trying to move up would not be active on these forums. Moreover, with near weekly advertising for management roles, nearly anyone who wants one can get one if they have a love for long days, office work, and just enough flying to stay current.

Some people, believe it or not, that actually like flying the line may have a different opinion that doesn't necessarily mean that person has "4th Floor Aspirations"

Now before you move on to the next tired argument, some people who work in the Union, that do not scream NO at every Management ask, are not automatically "in bed with Management" or trying to get an "Oil Painting at National"

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I don’t think it’s proper to start a thread on the basis of a personal attack on another Delta pilot, but for a few of us - like the OP - that’s the only arrow in their quiver, and anyone who dares to disagree with them is automatically in the tank for management. At the same time, this is a valid concern for all of us. Payback days have been in the PWA since 1974, but they aren’t the problem.

(This is management’s problem, not the Association’s, by the way. Their problems are our leverage, not the other way around.)

The problem is trip parking. The company could face the issue head-on by:

1. Coughing up the dough for modern software, and
2. Codifying a prohibition against trip parking. The Association has publicity opposed trip parking since 2014, so this should be easy.

It looks like management has decided to take another path. For my own part, while I have no idea what the company is offering in exchange, I am deeply skeptical that the Delta MEC would pass this sort of thing (who wants to go down in history as the rep who voted to kill rolling thunder?), and I am even more skeptical that the membership would accept this in MEMRAT. The quid would have to be compelling; the fact that our negotiators have decided to go public with the issue informs me that the quid is well short of the mark.

Trip parking has been addressed by not allowing a pilot to pick up a trip after he has dropped it via the swap board or "swap with friends" unless it goes thru the PCS process (ie, dropped into open time and white slipped).
Pilot A can't drop a trip onto Pilot B's line, and get it back unless it goes thru PCS.

Pilot C would need to get involved in the process in order to avoid a trip through PCS.