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01-05-2024, 04:45 AM
#1921
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Just had a conversation about deviating for WX out that way. Some say you have to declare an emergency. I have never seen any guidance on it though.
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01-05-2024, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
It's all about the planned route. Deviations into ETOPS airspace on a non-ETOPS flight are authorized. No emergency declaration required.
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01-05-2024, 09:37 AM
#1923
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I see what you are saying but if the flight plan had a route within 60 minutes of land, could you deviate or go direct just because you HAD a plan. Seems very open ended. Why not just plan a longer route every time, and encourage fuel saving?
According to AM 3.3.2 enroute deviations outside of the dispatched ETOPS area of operation are permitted for operational safety reasons only. This sentence is in regards to being in ETOPS airpsace under one category (ie: 120-minutes) and then devatiating into ETOPS airpsace of another category (ie: 180 minutes.) Although nothing says we can enter ETOPS airspace on a non-ETOPS flight, I think it's safe to assume we can in light of the AM language.
If I'm on a non-ETOPS flight and need to deviate for weather, I'm going to deviate.
01-05-2024, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Not to be pedantic* but land has nothing to do with it. It's a distance in still air from an adequate airport.
According to AM 3.3.2 enroute deviations outside of the dispatched ETOPS area of operation are permitted for operational safety reasons only. This sentence is in regards to being in ETOPS airpsace under one category (ie: 120-minutes) and then devatiating into ETOPS airpsace of another category (ie: 180 minutes.) Although nothing says we can enter ETOPS airspace on a non-ETOPS flight, I think it's safe to assume we can in light of the AM language.
If I'm on a non-ETOPS flight and need to deviate for weather, I'm going to deviate.
According to AM 3.3.2 enroute deviations outside of the dispatched ETOPS area of operation are permitted for operational safety reasons only. This sentence is in regards to being in ETOPS airpsace under one category (ie: 120-minutes) and then devatiating into ETOPS airpsace of another category (ie: 180 minutes.) Although nothing says we can enter ETOPS airspace on a non-ETOPS flight, I think it's safe to assume we can in light of the AM language.
If I'm on a non-ETOPS flight and need to deviate for weather, I'm going to deviate.
*yet you are
- my appoligies for the non-technical truncated description, I assumed we were on the same page
Last edited by notEnuf; 01-05-2024 at 10:37 AM.
01-05-2024, 11:02 AM
#1926
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
This is my attitude as well. I'm just wondering what a motivated FAA inspecter or lawyer might think or pursue. I'm specifically talking about non-ETOPS WATRS operations. We don't draw ETOPS circles and we don't even have quick access to dispatch etc.
*yet you are - my appoligies for the non-technical truncated description, I assumed we were on the same page
*yet you are
- my appoligies for the non-technical truncated description, I assumed we were on the same page
01-05-2024, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Our pages are identical. (Insert beer emoji)
01-05-2024, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
so I’m going to bet that the Max deliveries get delayed after this Alaskan flight… Boeing really can’t manufacture a decent plane these days
