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OpsCheckOK 10-03-2022 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by tankerclown23 (Post 3505781)
Yeesh. Tough crowd.

Lol…jackets off; love it. BOS walk around gonna be brisk.

Buck Rogers 10-03-2022 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by S4User (Post 3505738)
Unfortunately, no. Eligible voters are based on the ALPA screenshot and will not be adjusted before the 30 day window ends. See email that was sent out. The numbers will be skewed as a result.

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How do you think they will be skewed? The vote (which should be >95% FOR) will be skewed by 50-100 new hire votes? The percentage of eligible voters casting a ballot is important and the % voting to strike is important....an insignificant % that aren't eligible to vote is meaningless and won't skew anything.

JMHO

Meme In Command 10-03-2022 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3505796)
How do you think they will be skewed? The vote (which should be >95% FOR) will be skewed by 50-100 new hire votes? The percentage of eligible voters casting a ballot is important and the % voting to strike is important....an insignificant % that aren't eligible to vote is meaningless and won't skew anything.

JMHO

The strike authorization ballot email mentioned nearly 15,000 pilots sending a message to the company through this vote. Easily 1,000 plus pilots are currently on probation, including whichever pilots are inelegible to vote for being on leave, not good standing, etc... I think what he's trying to say is that someone could try to twist this into a "poor voter turnout" narrative to those ignorant of why these pilots can't actually vote.

crazyjaydawg 10-03-2022 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by BeamMeUp (Post 3505779)
Pure gold. Finally a movement we all can get behind.


Hopefully the next picket event will be a jacket off event. Err…maybe not?

Buck Rogers 10-03-2022 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3505809)
The strike authorization ballot email mentioned nearly 15,000 pilots sending a message to the company through this vote. Easily 1,000 plus pilots are currently on probation, including whichever pilots are inelegible to vote for being on leave, not good standing, etc... I think what he's trying to say is that someone could try to twist this into a "poor voter turnout" narrative to those ignorant of why these pilots can't actually vote.

I hear what you are saying but I don't think it works that way. The results will be based on eligible voters....not total pilots. Consequently, I don't think it makes one whit's difference.

DeltaboundRedux 10-03-2022 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by tankerclown23 (Post 3505753)
So with November on the horizon, can we up the ante to “Jacket Off To a New Contract”?

LOL.

ISWYD there.

Boatbuilder 10-03-2022 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 3505814)
Hopefully the next picket event will be a jacket off event. Err…maybe not?


White sneakers would send a better message, AND be more comfortable.

zippinbye 10-03-2022 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3505536)
Despite what you may have read in the news, there is no cause for alarm. Your Delta pilots are not on strike, there is almost no chance of labor action ruining your travel plans this holiday season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVWCEKDDI-E

I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t some trouble about this! Hilarious 😂

Bucking Bar 10-04-2022 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by fp88ren (Post 3505356)
True enough. The in favor vote was around 97% if I recall correctly.

C2K was signed just in time for 9/11, SARS, Iraq, Michelle Burns selling DLs fuel hedges for 80 million that cost the company over 2 billion, mgmt bailing with their SERP money, Katrina, and bankruptcy. It WAS a great contract but alas was flushed down the **********r post haste.

Hope springs eternal. Easy yes.

Delta management had NO intention of honoring C2K. Leo Mullin a former McKinsey consultant hired the same bankruptcy pros US Air and United used prior to C2k negotiations wrapping up and made numerous funded commitments that directly conflicted with provisions of C2K before the contract even went out for ratification. This included the largest jet order in the history of mankind for the benefit wholly owned Delta divisions; ASA and Comair. I published all the ways that C2K scope was set to fail within 6 months of the ratification of the agreement. I was wrong. Delta management violated the contract within 5 months. I failed to account for aircraft spares.

Back when I published the Delta MEC got angry at me for pointing out C2K was destined to fail before it was even ratified. The really sad part is that I am convinced that people on both sides of the table knew what was coming and scope failures and the loss of Delta pilot jobs was perceived to be leverage.

A unified scope agreement would have been much better for everyone involved; resulting in not only the preservation of jobs, but also billions more in Delta pilots' earnings. Further, I don't see how pay rate arbitrage netted Delta anywhere near the 30 to 40 billion they spent setting up and killing off regional carriers over the years.

sailingfun 10-04-2022 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by fp88ren (Post 3505356)
True enough. The in favor vote was around 97% if I recall correctly.

C2K was signed just in time for 9/11, SARS, Iraq, Michelle Burns selling DLs fuel hedges for 80 million that cost the company over 2 billion, mgmt bailing with their SERP money, Katrina, and bankruptcy. It WAS a great contract but alas was flushed down the **********r post haste.

Hope springs eternal. Easy yes.

Contract 2000 ran from Jun of 2021 to Dec of 2004 if that’s considered post haste. Almost 3.5 years until LOA 46 ended it. There was retro back to Jun of 2000.


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