Strike Vote
10-04-2022 | 11:47 AM
#191
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
If you built a ship. That ship began sinking 5 months in with the loss of 1,200 customers, would it make any sense to take credit for the good deal some got on life rafts? ... It failed. It was not enforced. The resolution was billions in concessions. It was a failure.
The principal cause of that failure was a lack of unity; allowing Delta to run airlines within airlines where the company could shift flying and destroy parts of the company while keeping customer-facing flight operations mostly intact.
Back to the topic of this thread; everyone I know is casting a strike vote with extreme prejudice. We actually want to walk. The motivation isn't necessarily the Section 6 process, it is global scope. Similar to C2K the MEC is resolving a scope failure a re-write to get the company into compliance. Sure, pay rates are an issue, but some of us are so angry about continued and continuing bad faith in scope that we really can not see ourselves voting yes for anything.
This political reality is a problem for all involved. Lorenzo left the airline business after continued evidence of his bad faith made it impossible for him to get any deal done with labor.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 10-04-2022 at 12:14 PM.
10-04-2022 | 12:56 PM
#192
On Reserve
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 134
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From: 73N A
The company was in violation 5 months in. The contract was unenforceable and not enforced.
If you built a ship. That ship began sinking 5 months in with the loss of 1,200 customers, would it make any sense to take credit for the good deal some got on life rafts? ... It failed. It was not enforced. The resolution was billions in concessions. It was a failure.
The principal cause of that failure was a lack of unity; allowing Delta to run airlines within airlines where the company could shift flying and destroy parts of the company while keeping customer-facing flight operations mostly intact.
Back to the topic of this thread; everyone I know is casting a strike vote with extreme prejudice. We actually want to walk. The motivation isn't necessarily the Section 6 process, it is global scope. Similar to C2K the MEC is resolving a scope failure a re-write to get the company into compliance. Sure, pay rates are an issue, but some of us are so angry about continued and continuing bad faith in scope that we really can not see ourselves voting yes for anything.
This political reality is a problem for all involved. Lorenzo left the airline business after continued evidence of his bad faith made it impossible for him to get any deal done with labor.
If you built a ship. That ship began sinking 5 months in with the loss of 1,200 customers, would it make any sense to take credit for the good deal some got on life rafts? ... It failed. It was not enforced. The resolution was billions in concessions. It was a failure.
The principal cause of that failure was a lack of unity; allowing Delta to run airlines within airlines where the company could shift flying and destroy parts of the company while keeping customer-facing flight operations mostly intact.
Back to the topic of this thread; everyone I know is casting a strike vote with extreme prejudice. We actually want to walk. The motivation isn't necessarily the Section 6 process, it is global scope. Similar to C2K the MEC is resolving a scope failure a re-write to get the company into compliance. Sure, pay rates are an issue, but some of us are so angry about continued and continuing bad faith in scope that we really can not see ourselves voting yes for anything.
This political reality is a problem for all involved. Lorenzo left the airline business after continued evidence of his bad faith made it impossible for him to get any deal done with labor.
I’ve been around for over 20 years, even more in the industry. My attitude right now is the culmination of mistreatment, threats, numerous furloughs, low pay, poor working conditions from those many years. We are in the driver’s seat now (pun intended) and I plan on taking full advantage.
No mercy.
This may seem excessive and I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face but…..I’m Angry, especially after the airline’s behavior these last few years.
10-04-2022 | 01:49 PM
#193
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Joined: Mar 2022
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100% right on. I have malice, I am pi$$ed. I am sick of the lack of integrity and honesty with “management”, tired of the platitudes, “disappointing rhetoric”. This, especially after having read the recent Dept of Labor finding that Delta so begrudgingly sent out. Talk about a damning document….unbelievable.
I’ve been around for over 20 years, even more in the industry. My attitude right now is the culmination of mistreatment, threats, numerous furloughs, low pay, poor working conditions from those many years. We are in the driver’s seat now (pun intended) and I plan on taking full advantage.
No mercy.
This may seem excessive and I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face but…..I’m Angry, especially after the airline’s behavior these last few years.
I’ve been around for over 20 years, even more in the industry. My attitude right now is the culmination of mistreatment, threats, numerous furloughs, low pay, poor working conditions from those many years. We are in the driver’s seat now (pun intended) and I plan on taking full advantage.
No mercy.
This may seem excessive and I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face but…..I’m Angry, especially after the airline’s behavior these last few years.
10-04-2022 | 01:57 PM
#194
On Reserve
Joined: Sep 2022
Posts: 20
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For those that have not been through a nasty contract at this company before get ready for everything about your occupation to be publicly advertised by the company. Management here negotiates via the media. Especially if you reside in ATL your neighbors will learn what you make, how many days off you get, vacation, etc. You’ll learn who your real friends are, and who you’ll never talk to again. Everyone will feel they have the right to comment on your profession.
Traditionally ALPA has done a lousy job of countering this. I hope they’ve learned and will do much better this time. What is different now is that the media has been reporting on how delta, along with the other airlines pretty much squandered $46 billion in bailout $$, and public sentiment is definitely more on our side this time.
I firmly believe we now hold the advantage, and we need to use it. Let’s take the gloves off. No. Holds. Barred.
Traditionally ALPA has done a lousy job of countering this. I hope they’ve learned and will do much better this time. What is different now is that the media has been reporting on how delta, along with the other airlines pretty much squandered $46 billion in bailout $$, and public sentiment is definitely more on our side this time.
I firmly believe we now hold the advantage, and we need to use it. Let’s take the gloves off. No. Holds. Barred.
10-04-2022 | 05:41 PM
#195
Line Holder
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 794
Likes: 2
From: Widget Jet
100% right on. I have malice, I am pi$$ed. I am sick of the lack of integrity and honesty with “management”, tired of the platitudes, “disappointing rhetoric”. This, especially after having read the recent Dept of Labor finding that Delta so begrudgingly sent out. Talk about a damning document….unbelievable.
I’ve been around for over 20 years, even more in the industry. My attitude right now is the culmination of mistreatment, threats, numerous furloughs, low pay, poor working conditions from those many years. We are in the driver’s seat now (pun intended) and I plan on taking full advantage.
No mercy.
This may seem excessive and I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face but…..I’m Angry, especially after the airline’s behavior these last few years.
I’ve been around for over 20 years, even more in the industry. My attitude right now is the culmination of mistreatment, threats, numerous furloughs, low pay, poor working conditions from those many years. We are in the driver’s seat now (pun intended) and I plan on taking full advantage.
No mercy.
This may seem excessive and I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face but…..I’m Angry, especially after the airline’s behavior these last few years.
10-04-2022 | 05:47 PM
#196
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,058
Likes: 2
From: Capt
Delta management had NO intention of honoring C2K. Leo Mullin a former McKinsey consultant hired the same bankruptcy pros US Air and United used prior to C2k negotiations wrapping up and made numerous funded commitments that directly conflicted with provisions of C2K before the contract even went out for ratification. This included the largest jet order in the history of mankind for the benefit wholly owned Delta divisions; ASA and Comair. I published all the ways that C2K scope was set to fail within 6 months of the ratification of the agreement. I was wrong. Delta management violated the contract within 5 months. I failed to account for aircraft spares.
Back when I published the Delta MEC got angry at me for pointing out C2K was destined to fail before it was even ratified. The really sad part is that I am convinced that people on both sides of the table knew what was coming and scope failures and the loss of Delta pilot jobs was perceived to be leverage.
A unified scope agreement would have been much better for everyone involved; resulting in not only the preservation of jobs, but also billions more in Delta pilots' earnings. Further, I don't see how pay rate arbitrage netted Delta anywhere near the 30 to 40 billion they spent setting up and killing off regional carriers over the years.
Back when I published the Delta MEC got angry at me for pointing out C2K was destined to fail before it was even ratified. The really sad part is that I am convinced that people on both sides of the table knew what was coming and scope failures and the loss of Delta pilot jobs was perceived to be leverage.
A unified scope agreement would have been much better for everyone involved; resulting in not only the preservation of jobs, but also billions more in Delta pilots' earnings. Further, I don't see how pay rate arbitrage netted Delta anywhere near the 30 to 40 billion they spent setting up and killing off regional carriers over the years.
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