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Old 10-31-2022 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by First Break
I guess we know how you voted. Keep listening to your 4th floor toadies while the rest of us do the heavy lift. No need to thank us when it’s all over.
Nah.

Don’t think it’s smart. But I think it’s right. Best choice out of a heap o bad choices.

Voted yes. In for a penny, in for a pound.

See you on the picket line. The REAL picket line. (The one that gambles permanent pilot unemployment for a slightly better deal.

Still, this management leadership made it trivially easy. Just in case though…What was that name of that truck driving school? I might need that.)

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Old 10-31-2022 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You are correct, that is what we have done and it will end up putting far less money in our pockets and working longer under lesser work rules. Smart beats tough every time.
This is rhetorical, so no need to answer. You said you didn’t vote for TA1 but did you vote “No” or just not vote?

For the love of god, please tell me you weren’t part of the 4% this time or even the very special 1%.
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Old 10-31-2022 | 06:43 PM
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I’m really impressed by this pilot group.
I can’t think of a question that could’ve been sent out that would’ve garnered a higher turnout with such a strong percentage.
Even if the question was to vote for world peace, free beer, or a million dollars, the turnout and percentage wouldn’t have been as good. We will always have 4-5% who are company men, disillusioned by ALPA, oblivious, or aloof.
This was huge!
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Old 10-31-2022 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 180ToAJ
I’m really impressed by this pilot group.
I can’t think of a question that could’ve been sent out that would’ve garnered a higher turnout with such a strong percentage.
Even if the question was to vote for world peace, free beer, or a million dollars, the turnout and percentage wouldn’t have been as good. We will always have 4-5% who are company men, disillusioned by ALPA, oblivious, or aloof.
This was huge!
Agreed. Very proud to be a Delta pilot today. Getting a large group humans to vote 99% in favor of something is a huuuuuge accomplishment.
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Old 10-31-2022 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
When the company was printing $6B annually, had thrown $12B into the fireplace of stock buybacks, $1B on an “oops” fuel hedge that failed, many Billions on JV’s, etc.

it was totally reasonable to expect the company to “invest” in us. Since then, they have committed $12+B on various terminals, including $3.2B on LAX alone.

They undeniably have the cash.

Another 2.5B for failed JVs over the course of COVID to add to the list above.

EB has been painting rosy pictures of company health at the latest LCA meetings. Profitability back to 2019 levels and better. Investments in all sections of the company except for.... us.

The company has money. They have over the last few decades conditioned us to accept a reset of labor costs. The question going forward is we will keep allowing it?
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Old 10-31-2022 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Agreed. Very proud to be a Delta pilot today. Getting a large group humans to vote 99% in favor of something is a huuuuuge accomplishment.
Just goes to show you how much the pilot group is tired of getting thank yous. Very proud to be a delta pilot today. I really didnt think we could pull it off with the amount of hats/lanyards I have seen (by those clearly not on probation) but glad they were able to put their lack of common sense behind them and vote in favor of a strike. Now, let's get to striking!
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Old 10-31-2022 | 08:12 PM
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Amazing job!
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Old 10-31-2022 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Agreed. Very proud to be a Delta pilot today. Getting a large group humans to vote 99% in favor of something is a huuuuuge accomplishment.
Not true - North Korea does it all the time!
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Old 11-01-2022 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
Just goes to show you how much the pilot group is tired of getting thank yous. Very proud to be a delta pilot today. I really didnt think we could pull it off with the amount of hats/lanyards I have seen (by those clearly not on probation) but glad they were able to put their lack of common sense behind them and vote in favor of a strike. Now, let's get a contract!
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Old 11-01-2022 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by First Break
So $28M would have done it for you?
Its amazing to me how ignorant pilots can be on a process that is so important. Instead of carefully reading the union Comm’s they rely on forums. The 28 million number you reference was what we gained in a handful of very low cost sections that were closed out at that time. Those sections probably had a total value of 120 million so yes I was happy with 28 million in improvements. I have also posted repeatedly that I was looking for a contract total gain of about 1 billion in year one. That would have been a 20% net gain. I do realize that is paltry compared to the 60% plus net gain we demanded.
When we get this contract done I bet it’s right around that one billion number just 4 years late and a tremendous gain by the company with losing more than a contract cycle and a tremendous loss to the pilots. A loss that will carry forward contract after contract.
By opening for a 3 billion plus contract we assured the company a victory. Now we are just trying to define the terms and salvage what we can.
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