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Old 11-28-2022 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
Tell us you don’t know what socialism is without telling us you don’t know what socialism is
“Biden, known socialist, sides with rail bosses in labor dispute” is a headline that actually makes sense to a startling proportion of our population
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Old 11-28-2022 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
Tell us you don’t know what socialism is without telling us you don’t know what socialism is
Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know you couldn't use snarky hyperbole to respond to snarky hyperbole...​​​​​​​
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Old 11-28-2022 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
“Biden, known socialist, sides with rail bosses in labor dispute” is a headline that actually makes sense to a startling proportion of our population
Let's see Ocasio throw a temper-tantrum in Congress tomorrow. Oh wait, she's bought and paid for too. The "darling" of the left.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know you couldn't use snarky hyperbole to respond to snarky hyperbole...​​​​​​​
My bad if you were being sarcastic. I’m just a dumb ge-110 abuser that’s picked on a lot of light greys

I hate all politicians. Across the board. Shoe clerk weasels lining their own pockets at our expense. All of them
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Old 11-28-2022 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
capitalists rejoice as labor exploited
Looks more like the corporatist oligarchs on the Left cheering and supporting the beating down of labor. I thought the D's were the party of the people (I also thought they were anti-war and pro free speech).
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Old 11-28-2022 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Looks more like the corporatist oligarchs on the Left cheering and supporting the beating down of labor. I thought the D's were the party of the people (I also thought they were anti-war and pro free speech).
Why would you think this?
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Old 11-28-2022 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
The Socialists are selling out labor too...
We don't have any socialists besides Bernie. It is "market based solutions" all the way down otherwise. Well...the military I guess, but everyone converts back once they leave, plus the contractors throw a wrench into the system.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gundam
We don't have any socialists besides Bernie. It is "market based solutions" all the way down otherwise. Well...the military I guess, but everyone converts back once they leave, plus the contractors throw a wrench into the system.
Both parties spend money like they are socialists. They just spend it on the wrong things - mainly war.
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Old 11-28-2022 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Both parties spend money like they are socialists. They just spend it on the wrong things - mainly war.
Socialism isn't about just spending money, it's about using collective resources for collective benefit. Infrastructure bills would be an example, as would various social welfare programs. I agree that the easiest money flows to the military in some form since no one seriously asks "how are we going to pay for it?" prior to sending weapons or otherwise participating in military action.

Corporate subsidies would not be socialist spending since it aims to benefit a corporation, but the typical capitalist narrative is that by benefiting a corporation you benefit society. A market based solution. Both Democrats and Republicans use this narrative, but Republicans also endorse tax cuts for corporations, while Democrats mainly favor subsidies. Obamacare is an example of the subsidized method and would be considered "neo liberalism." Socialism would just be medicare, or alternatively fully state operated healthcare. Socialism is not centered around making space for a "market" or other corporate involvement. That is why I said military contractors throw a wrench into the concept of the military being socialist. The need to cater to contractors in most government projects is itself counter to socialism.

I'm not trying to make an argument for anything, just trying to explain the concepts without hyperbole. In general, when a market is used as the basis to implement something, or there is a push to make something "affordable" that is not socialism because socialism doesn't revolve around markets, you simply have the function. It's like saying making police or fire fighter calls affordable, it implies a market requirement and is contradictory to socialism.
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Old 10-30-2023 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Finessed
Yes.

But if you’re surprised by the recent developments you’re a moron.
you’re a clown man. Need to find a hobby outside of APC
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