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OOfff 11-28-2022 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 3538871)
Tell us you don’t know what socialism is without telling us you don’t know what socialism is

“Biden, known socialist, sides with rail bosses in labor dispute” is a headline that actually makes sense to a startling proportion of our population

FangsF15 11-28-2022 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 3538871)
Tell us you don’t know what socialism is without telling us you don’t know what socialism is

Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know you couldn't use snarky hyperbole to respond to snarky hyperbole...:D​​​​​​​

Crown 11-28-2022 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3538888)
“Biden, known socialist, sides with rail bosses in labor dispute” is a headline that actually makes sense to a startling proportion of our population

Let's see Ocasio throw a temper-tantrum in Congress tomorrow. Oh wait, she's bought and paid for too. The "darling" of the left.

Hubcapped 11-28-2022 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3538915)
Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know you couldn't use snarky hyperbole to respond to snarky hyperbole...:D​​​​​​​

My bad if you were being sarcastic. I’m just a dumb ge-110 abuser that’s picked on a lot of light greys :)

I hate all politicians. Across the board. Shoe clerk weasels lining their own pockets at our expense. All of them

Nantonaku 11-28-2022 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3538843)
capitalists rejoice as labor exploited

Looks more like the corporatist oligarchs on the Left cheering and supporting the beating down of labor. I thought the D's were the party of the people (I also thought they were anti-war and pro free speech).

m3113n1a1 11-28-2022 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3539017)
Looks more like the corporatist oligarchs on the Left cheering and supporting the beating down of labor. I thought the D's were the party of the people (I also thought they were anti-war and pro free speech).

Why would you think this?

Gundam 11-28-2022 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3538859)
The Socialists are selling out labor too...

We don't have any socialists besides Bernie. It is "market based solutions" all the way down otherwise. Well...the military I guess, but everyone converts back once they leave, plus the contractors throw a wrench into the system.

Nantonaku 11-28-2022 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Gundam (Post 3539032)
We don't have any socialists besides Bernie. It is "market based solutions" all the way down otherwise. Well...the military I guess, but everyone converts back once they leave, plus the contractors throw a wrench into the system.

Both parties spend money like they are socialists. They just spend it on the wrong things - mainly war.

Gundam 11-28-2022 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 3539039)
Both parties spend money like they are socialists. They just spend it on the wrong things - mainly war.

Socialism isn't about just spending money, it's about using collective resources for collective benefit. Infrastructure bills would be an example, as would various social welfare programs. I agree that the easiest money flows to the military in some form since no one seriously asks "how are we going to pay for it?" prior to sending weapons or otherwise participating in military action.

Corporate subsidies would not be socialist spending since it aims to benefit a corporation, but the typical capitalist narrative is that by benefiting a corporation you benefit society. A market based solution. Both Democrats and Republicans use this narrative, but Republicans also endorse tax cuts for corporations, while Democrats mainly favor subsidies. Obamacare is an example of the subsidized method and would be considered "neo liberalism." Socialism would just be medicare, or alternatively fully state operated healthcare. Socialism is not centered around making space for a "market" or other corporate involvement. That is why I said military contractors throw a wrench into the concept of the military being socialist. The need to cater to contractors in most government projects is itself counter to socialism.

I'm not trying to make an argument for anything, just trying to explain the concepts without hyperbole. In general, when a market is used as the basis to implement something, or there is a push to make something "affordable" that is not socialism because socialism doesn't revolve around markets, you simply have the function. It's like saying making police or fire fighter calls affordable, it implies a market requirement and is contradictory to socialism.

ERAUAV8R 10-30-2023 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3504279)
Yes.

But if you’re surprised by the recent developments you’re a moron.

you’re a clown man. Need to find a hobby outside of APC


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