Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

If, "we all benefited from the advancement of mandatory retirements from 60 to 65 for most of our careers....", why wouldn't an additional advancement not also benefit all for most of their careers.?



BTW.... not seeing any takers on Trips bet yet. Did I miss a post somewhere?

And also, Cbreezy, if someone threatens you and is saying they are going to rape you, using your logic, that rape was justified because you chose it as opposed to the alternative? Talk about detached from reality and illogical thinking.

Originally Posted by Trip7

Bohicagain is the only one that confirmed accepting the bet. I'm willing to take on 2 more bettors for $3k total to St. Jude's

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Can you post your suggested matrix on appropriate age to retire vis-a vis mandatory age limitations when factoring in new hire date with age of mandatory retirement.

IOW Should someone who hire on in 1990 retire at age 60...because well....rules
Should someone who hired on in 2001 retire at age 60 because of well....rules
Should someone hired on in 2010 retire at age 65 because of well....rules
Should someone who hired on in 2022 retire at age 65 because of well....rules
Should the only pilots who hire on after the rule change be able to work to age 67


How does this work in your world?

Originally Posted by Trip7

Probably right around their 2 year anniversary when their freeze is up. The demand for a 95%+ seniority position with years and years of reserve (and unused short calls), working holidays/weekends and bounces on VA will not be very high.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

I'll take the opposite position just for fun. WB B will remain above the 2 year mark because:

-Utilization on WB reserve is less work than holding a line.
-Unused SC is an extra 1:00 pay, which covers hotel cost for commuters.
-Staffing is better in WB B, providing more blue days and schedule flexibility.
-Holiday pay reduces the coverage awards on holidays.
-Reroutes are a rarity, creating more certainty that you will fly what you expected to fly and finish when you expected to finish.
-Bounces on VA (or MIA) can be used as strategic building blocks for higher QOL (ie less work).
-Reserve QOL creates junior line holder opportunities.
-As the company adds pilots without adding bases, we get even more commuters. The dead last WB line holder has a mostly commutable schedule.

Originally Posted by Trip7

No it's not. Mark the books. I'm calling it
A 2014 DOH will be awarded an A position of 765, 330 or 350 by Sept 22nd 2025​​​​

Originally Posted by bohicagain

I'll take that bet.
I will not be able to hold 765A in 2 years.
What's the bet? Money to charity?

Originally Posted by Trip7

You're assuming 765A will be the most junior. You will be able to hold a pure WB A position.
$1000 to St. Jude's Children Hospital for the bet

Originally Posted by Trip7

Bohicagain is the only one that confirmed accepting the bet. I'm willing to take on 2 more bettors for $3k total to St. Jude's

Originally Posted by RunFast

Mine got denied 3 or 4 times. It took over 2 years from the time mine expired to getting it back in the mail. The last year of it I had a lot of pressure from my CPO. At least I kept making progress…😏. After talking with my rep I realized I had no choice but to get it despite feet dragging.

Originally Posted by FlexManFlex

Ha! Just paperwork issues? I can’t imagine mine getting denied unless I mess up paperwork. I have a clean background. My category technically has no China routes at the moment anyways so I’m not as worried about it. I thought it was a hand shake deal. Never knew it was hard to get haha.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

I'll get in for $1k that it won't happen. There are too many outside influences like age 67 or an economic downturn that stand in the way.

Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw

I love how any time any one doesn't enthusiastically wave the flag and support Age 67, you guys crawl out of the woodwork and attack. What a bunch of clowns. So self serving and hypocritical.

I'm no kid. It would benefit me too. But I can see the hypocrisy that we all benefited from the advancement of mandatory retirements at 60 and then 65 for most of our careers, now suddenly you're at the end and you've changed your mind? At least be honest and say what everyone knows. It all about the money and has nothing to do with "fairness" or "health" or anything else.

You knew the mandatory retirement age when you showed up. You guys sit in your echo chambers and convince yourselves that this is a done deal and it's just and everyone wants it and then attack anyone who doesn't agree. Well I'm your peer and I don't want it. I'm sick of the selfishness and robbing from the future generations.

But hey, back to the 2023 AE discussion. I know you guys don't care what I think. I also know the democrat senate doesn't care what you think. I'll be like Trip7 and make a bold prediction. You will not be flying WB international over age 65 within 5 years. Take a screen shot.

Also, there's no way LAX 350 goes junior. What a strange prediction. Maybe DTW, but definitely not LAX.