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Old 11-10-2022 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
What's yours?
It's not as simple as days off. That's a part of it, but it is not the whole picture.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
You may not think about them but they most certainly affect you every day, Mr. Lineholder. reserve Payback days affect every single flying pilot on the seniority list.
If the other provisions affecting WS and 150% above ALV are instituted, you can kiss RS GS and PBs goodbye.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
If the other provisions affecting WS and 150% above ALV are instituted, you can kiss RS GS and PBs goodbye.
150% WS is very similar to how Endeavor ran when I was there. 200% GS still happened all the time. You’ll find that senior people will utilize the 150% WS by bidding a min credit line then basically swapping trips to achieve the best pay/days off balance.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 04:19 AM
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The 150% ws is awful too. Don’t get it twisted. That and PB day changes are horrible ideas.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
If the ALV is around 72-75 hours, you’d have to have 4-5 GS days on your X days to make around 100 hours. Then you’d have to get every on call day off. You are a master bidder! And then to have them short staffed on your X days, but then so over staffed they don’t have to use you on any of your on call days. And you can be selective on which GS to take and they assign most everything the night before!
My category isn’t remotely close to this gold mine.
You clearly weren't 73N B this past summer then. Because this is basically exactly what I did for about 3 months in a row, easily crediting 100+ hours and only working about 9-12 days. I was just reinstated from UNA so I was sitting about 98% and couldn't hold any weekends off (so no master bidder status for me.) First week 3 day inverse assignment Mon-Wed, dropped first weekend of reserve. Next week, 3 days green slip, next week, same thing... Repeat as often as you wanted since staffing was horrendous. Did burn myself out after a few months because I didn't have a single layover over 12 hours during that whole time, so it wasn't worth it to me to keep it up.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
You may not think about them but they most certainly affect you every day, Mr. Lineholder. reserve Payback days affect every single flying pilot on the seniority list.

Thats funny! We’ve found a reserve guy.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 05:14 AM
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Is there any possibility that the PB day threat is a distraction on scope?

Between this leak, and a rumor from a union member, the global scope agreement is to basically have no scope on international flying. In exchange we’ll have some mechanism that a certain number of pilots will be paid as widebody pilots depending on the number of widebody pilots at peers.

Isn’t this just a mechanism to shrink our pilot group? If all of our international flying can be outsourced how many pilots can we eliminate when the 767s get parked?

PB days and GS on reserve will no doubt be potential NO vote issues for me but I’m wondering if we’re being distracted from the scope stuff. They’ll keep us focused on PB days then give it back while pulling one on us on scope.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by copydat
Thats funny! We’ve found a reserve guy.
Nonetheless, what Gspeed says remains true.

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Old 11-10-2022 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by copydat
Thats funny! We’ve found a reserve guy.
He’s not wrong. So I am not sure what’s funny?? PB days go away if Delta staffs properly. They don’t? Payback days are very effective for pilots. Staffing = affects every pilot.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by copydat
Thats funny! We’ve found a reserve guy.
I’m a mid seniority line holder. Every month several pilots senior to me bid reserve. If they are doing that because they like PB days, then that helps me get the schedule I want.
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