Nonstop Negotiations
11-09-2022 | 04:57 PM
#222
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If the ALV is around 72-75 hours, you’d have to have 4-5 GS days on your X days to make around 100 hours. Then you’d have to get every on call day off. You are a master bidder! And then to have them short staffed on your X days, but then so over staffed they don’t have to use you on any of your on call days. And you can be selective on which GS to take and they assign most everything the night before!
My category isn’t remotely close to this gold mine.
My category isn’t remotely close to this gold mine.
Yea that’s how it works. It’s pretty simple. Bid weekends off reserve. If your category is short do reserve on weekends and then on the weekdays do green slips and then have weekends off plus gs pay.
11-09-2022 | 06:47 PM
#223
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I think the point is, looking at reserve usage, no one is sitting at home on their on call days right now, outside of WBs. Some people have all the category luck, and it is luck. I have blanket GSs in, don’t work most weekends, and I can promise you I don’t get calls every weekend.
11-09-2022 | 07:20 PM
#224
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A negotiations thread that has morphed into a lecture on how to do GS flying? Helping to keep the operation running at a high pace when you have leverage to say NO and creat reason to get a contract done.
Is anyone else seeing the problem with this thinking? Is this thought process the reason DL management feels no need to get a contract wrapped up?
Companies don’t resolve contracts until they are forced to. Bailing the company out bc it pays a premium pay doesn’t send a message that you are demanding a new contract.
Is anyone else seeing the problem with this thinking? Is this thought process the reason DL management feels no need to get a contract wrapped up?
Companies don’t resolve contracts until they are forced to. Bailing the company out bc it pays a premium pay doesn’t send a message that you are demanding a new contract.
11-09-2022 | 08:35 PM
#225
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Oh calm down. Educational discussion about payback days and how that quality of life benefit is greatly improved with reserve greensliping has nothing to do with what you said. Especially in a negotiating environment that our NC has clearly stated they (the company) want removed. It’s absolutely necessary and informative to have these discussions with folks who still approach reserve like a regional or haven’t bid it in a decade and are deathly afraid of bidding of it.
I’m so tired of everyone turning on each other for any discussions outside their little bubble of acceptable conversations.
**Oh and of course he’s a FedEx guy here trolling on Delta forums. Dude, get a life.**
I’m so tired of everyone turning on each other for any discussions outside their little bubble of acceptable conversations.
**Oh and of course he’s a FedEx guy here trolling on Delta forums. Dude, get a life.**
11-10-2022 | 02:41 AM
#226
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I second “noworkallplay”. I dropped in on the forum to see if I could learn some intel on negotiations. Amazed to learn that PB days is the focus of concern here on the negotiation update thread.
I guess the major contributors here must be the 20 percent of the list sitting reserve this week. My guess is the 80 percent on a regular line aren’t thinking about PB days. I know it’s been over ten years since I thought about them! Certainly not the first section of a TA I am going to read.
How about gouge on compensation, training pay, vacation days and retirement contributions? Now that’s the areas I’m interested in.
I guess the major contributors here must be the 20 percent of the list sitting reserve this week. My guess is the 80 percent on a regular line aren’t thinking about PB days. I know it’s been over ten years since I thought about them! Certainly not the first section of a TA I am going to read.
How about gouge on compensation, training pay, vacation days and retirement contributions? Now that’s the areas I’m interested in.
11-10-2022 | 03:20 AM
#227
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All this talk about PB days, and not a word about the WS provision. The way it looks to me is 150% for WS above ALV?? If that’s the case, that is far more toxic for the group as a whole than the PB day talk. The top quarter of each category will gobble up every trip in open time (up to FAR limits) with the bottom 75% never having a chance. There will never be PB days, because everything will be taken as a WS. AND, we will have agreed to a reduction in premium flying from 200% to 150%. No thanks.
11-10-2022 | 03:31 AM
#228
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All this talk about PB days, and not a word about the WS provision. The way it looks to me is 150% for WS above ALV?? If that’s the case, that is far more toxic for the group as a whole than the PB day talk. The top quarter of each category will gobble up every trip in open time (up to FAR limits) with the bottom 75% never having a chance. There will never be PB days, because everything will be taken as a WS. AND, we will have agreed to a reduction in premium flying from 200% to 150%. No thanks.
I believe it was designated trips would qualify for WS premium and all flying above ALV. The WS portion would effectively reduce GS pay. As would WS above ALV. One of the big drivers of the GS bump has been the reduced ALV to get to GS trigger.
11-10-2022 | 03:50 AM
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I second “noworkallplay”. I dropped in on the forum to see if I could learn some intel on negotiations. Amazed to learn that PB days is the focus of concern here on the negotiation update thread.
I guess the major contributors here must be the 20 percent of the list sitting reserve this week. My guess is the 80 percent on a regular line aren’t thinking about PB days. I know it’s been over ten years since I thought about them! Certainly not the first section of a TA I am going to read.
How about gouge on compensation, training pay, vacation days and retirement contributions? Now that’s the areas I’m interested in.
I guess the major contributors here must be the 20 percent of the list sitting reserve this week. My guess is the 80 percent on a regular line aren’t thinking about PB days. I know it’s been over ten years since I thought about them! Certainly not the first section of a TA I am going to read.
How about gouge on compensation, training pay, vacation days and retirement contributions? Now that’s the areas I’m interested in.
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