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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3534231)

Word on the street is full retro is unlikely and that the mediator sides with the company about exempting 2020.

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Maybe on your street. This pilot group will walk without full retro.

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Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3534251)

Then it's a simple no vote and we are back in mediation. Seems dumb but ok

If only the top dogs wouldn’t have given each other bonuses while taking government money.., but they did. Now they can pay us, too.No retro =‘no’ vote.

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Originally Posted by konabear (Post 3534256)

If only the top dogs wouldn’t have given each other bonuses while taking government money.., but they did. Now they can pay us, too.No retro =‘no’ vote.

I believe they are called one time payment adjustments.... I don't want retro I just want a one time payment adjustment for what I should have been paid the last 3 years. Seems simple enough, management gave it to themselves for 2020 seems only reasonable for us to get one as well.

Eh... Before everyone gets militant about full retro, if the mediator has some opinions about us being unlikely or wrong for asking for 2020 you should all take that into account.

Firstly i will wait for the union to speak on the mediator even if its months from now. Its important to keep in mind the nmb is who releases us, we dont just get fed up and go dance in a circle with signs. IF the NMB were giving us feedback in any area, or the mediator is giving us back feedback in any area, thats important stuff. Its stuff that keeps you from getting parked.

I am comfortable waiting for the unions side on things, i would hope everyone would keep an open mind as this isnt the very last bargaining cycle for most of us.

This notion of no retro for 2020 is yet another management trial balloon. Covid may have happened in 2020, but we STILL worked. Inflation STILL happened. FULL Retro to the Amendable Date, not one day less.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3534193)

Well we did not get a contract did we?

And we never will… :rolleyes:

As you guys start negotiating pay rates, check your proposed rates against the current rates and see if it meets your expectations in this pilot market and in this environment:

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com

You're setting the trend, and you know the company never hesitates a nanosecond to seek concessions, threaten furloughs, and do other ham-fisted bean counting when things get dicey.

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3534231)

Word on the street is full retro is unlikely and that the mediator sides with the company about exempting 2020.

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Weird, I’ve never heard that.

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3534286[/url]]This notion of no retro for 2020 is yet another management trial balloon. Covid may have happened in 2020, but we STILL worked. Inflation STILL happened. FULL Retro to the Amendable Date, not one day less.

Amen, AND the US taxpayer paid Delta’s payroll that year.

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Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3534175)

How so? There are no facts because there isn’t a contract. Sailing threw out a WAG of negativity because he didn’t agree with the method. Now he says he’s correct because he said a billion even though he’s admitted the value has surpassed that by a third with some big portions left to go. He can’t prove the final value of this contract just like he can’t prove his way would have worked better.

He now needs to stop throwing out lowballs and talking of how everyone will settle for less than at the beginning of negotiations. In other words, unite with the pilot group and support the NC in their task.

The value is not even close to a billion in 2019. If the 1.38 billion figure is correct that’s for 2023 not 2020. My personal min was around 1 billion in 2020. If you take the highest current rumor and we got full retro for 2020 we would get about 240 million for that year. With 5% raises in 2021and 2022 the 1 billion I wanted in 2020 becomes about 1.4 billion in the last year of the contract. 1.6 billion if a 5% raise for 2023.