Oops, No AIP yet
12-02-2022 | 04:48 PM
#341
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The the lawyers adds the legalese to each section. When all the AIP'd sections have the legal language, then combined those AIP's are the TA.
Per DALPA policy manual the MEC gets to review the TA for 7 days. Then and only then does the MEC actually vote, and if it passes, it goes to the pilots for MEMRAT.
Policy manual also states a 60 day window to allow for road shows and then actual voting, but that can be reduced to no less than 45 days by MEC majority vote.
12-02-2022 | 05:01 PM
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The MEC does not vote on an AIP....in fact, there isn't just one AIP. Each section of the contract is AIP'd once both sides agree in principal to the content.
The the lawyers adds the legalese to each section. When all the AIP'd sections have the legal language, then combined those AIP's are the TA.
Per DALPA policy manual the MEC gets to review the TA for 7 days. Then and only then does the MEC actually vote, and if it passes, it goes to the pilots for MEMRAT.
Policy manual also states a 60 day window to allow for road shows and then actual voting, but that can be reduced to no less than 45 days by MEC majority vote.
The the lawyers adds the legalese to each section. When all the AIP'd sections have the legal language, then combined those AIP's are the TA.
Per DALPA policy manual the MEC gets to review the TA for 7 days. Then and only then does the MEC actually vote, and if it passes, it goes to the pilots for MEMRAT.
Policy manual also states a 60 day window to allow for road shows and then actual voting, but that can be reduced to no less than 45 days by MEC majority vote.
12-02-2022 | 05:07 PM
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The MEC does not vote on an AIP....in fact, there isn't just one AIP. Each section of the contract is AIP'd once both sides agree in principal to the content.
The the lawyers adds the legalese to each section. When all the AIP'd sections have the legal language, then combined those AIP's are the TA.
Per DALPA policy manual the MEC gets to review the TA for 7 days. Then and only then does the MEC actually vote, and if it passes, it goes to the pilots for MEMRAT.
Policy manual also states a 60 day window to allow for road shows and then actual voting, but that can be reduced to no less than 45 days by MEC majority vote.
The the lawyers adds the legalese to each section. When all the AIP'd sections have the legal language, then combined those AIP's are the TA.
Per DALPA policy manual the MEC gets to review the TA for 7 days. Then and only then does the MEC actually vote, and if it passes, it goes to the pilots for MEMRAT.
Policy manual also states a 60 day window to allow for road shows and then actual voting, but that can be reduced to no less than 45 days by MEC majority vote.
12-02-2022 | 05:08 PM
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Early Jan....it is the holiday season after all. I think the last TA (2016) took about 2-3 weeks from AIP to TA language suitable for review by the MEC. Then, if I recall, the MEC has 7 days to review the language before votong to send to the membership. Then the membership gets a defined window to vote. I am thinking late January before we have the actual result (rejected/ratified)..
12-02-2022 | 05:08 PM
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For newer Delta pilots, some clarity on the AIP word game that’s being played by some of the posters. When posters say we have an AIP, what they are saying is that the LEC has deliberated and decided to accept the general terms of each individual section as a larger package based on what’s being offered by the company. Even though only an official vote is cast to send a TA to the pilot group, there is still an unofficial majority consensus on whether the collection of AIP’s sections should move to the next stage, TA. Ignore posters saying, there’s no such thing as an AIP. They are playing word games.
12-02-2022 | 05:22 PM
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I'm hearing the agreement has major gains in nearly all sections but comes up short on the retirement pillar, particularly the Min Balance, MBCBP etc
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12-02-2022 | 05:26 PM
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While this is true, the NC takes its direction from the MEC no? If not, what was the freaking point of bringing them to RDU? Free buffet? I believe what is being insinuated is that the NC went to the MEC and said here’s what the company is willing to AIP this week, what do you think and the MEC was split on guidance but ended up saying go for it.
For example, if the MEC gave the NC guidance that 5% pay raise and 20% DC were the absolute min. The company counters with 25% DC, but only 4.5% raise. The NC can't agree to those terms. Normally, the NC would take all the counters, brief the MEC at a later date and then the MEC would have to decide on whether to stick to current guidance or adjust.
Since there were only 10'ish items remaining, the MEC went to RDU to be able to adjust guidance (if necessary) essentially real time...like sitting airport reserve.
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