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02-06-2023 | 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish

Any word on pro-con paper or did I somehow miss it?

I heard they will come out March 2nd. In all seriousness, and to quote cankles, "what difference at this point does it make?" Will they change anyone's mind or make any difference? I would bet those that are voting yes have already voted and those that are voting no have as well. Those of us that haven't are in a small bucket at this point.

02-06-2023 | 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

It seems their biggest heartburn isn't so much what's in the TA but what was left out. You could write a book on all the things we wanted but didn't get. It's a lot harder to write an objective con paper about the negatives of the things they are in the TA.

The implementation schedule says 'hi'. And yes I know that a no vote won't change that.... So you then have to admit that they failed.

02-06-2023 | 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

The implementation schedule says 'hi'. And yes I know that a no vote won't change that.... So you then have to admit that they failed.

while there are a few things that will take longer than I hoped, it looks like quite a bit will be implemented in the next 6 months, with most implemented within a year. Not ideal but hardly a fail.

02-06-2023 | 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

agree on both counts. I would have preferred the 401k but the fact it is factored into PS takes the sting off. Although that certainly isn’t guaranteed.

So you then are saying that profit sharing is in fact compensation. Is that about right? Because if that takes the place of DC contribution, it can be nothing else.

Remember that in your next contract.

02-06-2023 | 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I would like to see an explanation about what ALPA thinks the cons are. Like breezy said, The majority of the cons I have seen are more like wishlist items that didn’t make it. What I would like to see is how would voting this in decrease my income/QOL/Scope protections ect. vs our current CBA, not our opener

02-06-2023 | 07:50 AM

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Is there an official delayed implementation schedule anywhere? Nothing on the TA site.

02-06-2023 | 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

while there are a few things that will take longer than I hoped, it looks like quite a bit will be implemented in the next 6 months, with most implemented within a year. Not ideal but hardly a fail.

Everyone has an opinion, and mine is no less valid than yours. Not one dollar of retirement value was captured for my demographic. THAT is a huge FAIL. Besides the obvious abandonment of the retirement pillar, the lack of pensionable retro pay for the first two years was a toss under the bus, and the fact that there is no additional DC contribution for a whole year is yet another. And the thing is, that both of those would have benefitted everybody, not just us.

But yeah, I know... voting no won't change anything. Congratulations.

02-06-2023 | 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

Is there an official delayed implementation schedule anywhere? Nothing on the TA site.

Pull up the PWA. It is a MOU at the end. I urge you to also look at the Executive summary of this thing and do a little comparison of the two.

02-06-2023 | 07:54 AM

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that’s not what I said. What I said was I am glad our back pay will be factored into our PS. that may end up being substantial or it may be noting, but I am glad that if DL has a good year my PS will be that much higher.

And I view it as a negotiated bonus, which is a form of compensation, just not one that should be relied on. and not one I factor into my annual income when looking forward.

02-06-2023 | 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

You're probably right about 'wishlist items' however there are some pretty big ones and pretty important ones to some of us. Frankly I don't think the pro/con papers will serve any real purpose.