Ok, thank you for explaining that without lighting me up. I honestly didn’t know that. I thought it was just a set 10% of PTIX for the first $2.5B and then 20% after that.

 

When people talk about retirement, I often assume they mean money. If you don’t need money, perhaps this agreement does nothing for you. Based on you wanting to keep working here beyond 65, I’ve also assumed you want more money.

Have you calculated how much more money you’ll generate in your remaining months of this agreement over baseline? Care to share that figure? Or, if you tell me how many hours you credit each year at 12 year 350A, and how many LCA hours, I’ll even calculate it for you.

From an outside observer, the problem is that your demonstrably false statements invalidate any actual talking points you might be trying to make and your ability to convince anyone to change their thoughts about this TA plummets to near zero.

Here is some alternative phrasing you could try:

”This agreement doesn’t boost my retirement enough, quickly enough, because I have to retire soon”

”The pay rates aren’t going up fast enough or high enough”

”I was underpaid in 2020 through 2022, and this agreement doesn’t give me enough back pay.”

”My peers in or going to other fleets shouldn’t get as much as I get on the 350”

It’s hard to argue with opinions about scale. It’s pretty easy to identify lies or misrepresentations about the facts though, chief. Every demographic who worked one day after Dec 31, 2019 gets something out of this deal. My hunch is it’ll put significant six figures in your pocket - maybe even 500k between 2020 and your age 65? 100k here…100k there…pretty soon we’re talking real money!

 

What you don't get is that most of us dont give a **** how much money goes into YOUR bank account. We want a better life, and be able to live long enough to make it to retirement age. I hope your pizza isn't burnt, that's a waste.

 

Where you looking for denture cream of the month club or something?

 

JB has previously said he can retire at any time very comfortably and doesn’t need this job

 

According to the Note Pads and LOA 23-01, the one time payment will count for 2023 PS (paid on Feb 14 2024) and that amount will be pensionable. Also the documents go on to say that the one time payment won't count as earnings for the 401K limits (330K this year). Wish the payment was pensionable for this year but....

 

You surely know that the White House negotiated a deal for the railway workers that did not even include a single day of paid sick. The House put the sick pay back in. The Senate voted on three versions of the railway workers contract, passing the one the WH negotiated and the workers had turned down. We saw the Railway Labor Act play out. It was not good for the railway workers and far below our negotiated PWA. The day after Ted Cruz hypocritically got his picture taken with Bernie Sanders ((take that other ivy league Republican presidential hopefuls - Cruz is more labor than Biden)) the very next day we had an AIP.

A little closer to home, United's retirement ask is our current book. American's most recently published deal was less than our current book. Where do you see the marketplace?

Not that you are explicitly blaming other pilots here at Delta, but some are - that we somehow capitulated without a demand specific to a subset of pilots being met (& I agree with you BTW). How about a reality check? We all want humans to go to Mars in our lifetimes, how do you propose to boost that kinda weight to orbit? What leverage do you perceive our negotiators to have that we did not use? The only tool we had ((have)) remaining is a wildcat strike. To break the law specifically to illustrate how unjust it is. While I'd be gratified to see a hatless Ambrosi yanked up the street in cuffs yelling affirmations about organized labor, THAT ain't happening. The other long-term play is to get everyone up to the highest levels of ALPA-PAC and start using our spare time lobbying Congress. Really, if you're not a Behncke Level PAC supporter then YES there is more you could have done! Never really liked the green "I'm Fatigued" lanyard anyway. Prefer the black back ALPA PAC that states I'm supporting our troops where it matters. If we had 15,000 of those $15 million a year in $PAC$, Ted & Bernie would be getting selfies with us. Management would be thinking twice about dropping a "closing proposal" that implicitly communicates "adios suckka" and the NMB saying "you're done."

Disclaimer: I have not cast my vote yet ...

 

also 100% agree Back the PAC

 

in what way is AAs retirement ask below our current book? We are all at 16% DC so it must be in another area

 

I'm just going to quote this again for JamesBond. You have a right to feel like ALPA fell short on retirement (I would have liked more as well), but since you insist on constantly posting about how badly you were thrown under the bus, etc., let's hear what what you think you needed to be happy!

And you didn't even say what you meant by 'ALPA acting like they wanted to do something' let's hear that too!

Look, I think at least some of us are genuinely interested to hear, but if you never put up any kind of tangible numbers then do you expect people to really listen or come to your side?