Flying on X-day/PB Day
02-10-2023 | 02:59 AM
#11
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Thanks fellas. Another question.
I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.
That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?
I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.
That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?
02-10-2023 | 03:27 AM
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Thanks fellas. Another question.
I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.
That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?
I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.
That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?
Meaning you needed 10 hours minimally of notice
However, this is a very good question and I’m not saying I have the definitive answer.
02-10-2023 | 03:54 AM
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Thanks fellas. Another question.
I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.
That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?
I was going to run hard and go beyond the reserve guarantee. Today, on my payback day, a nice trip (less than 12hrs to report) opens up…I submit a YS. I chat crew assist to inform CS I have a YS (as I understand <12hrs is a manual process). The trip goes to a short call pilot. I questioned CS, they said reserve pilots go first. I asked about the <12 hr coverage ladder…was told “no…reserve pilots go first”. I didn’t argue…its made my decision to work less easier.
That said, I don’t understand how PWA 12.O.3. vs 12.O.5 isn’t clear in this situation?
02-10-2023 | 05:07 AM
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Plug the trip you wanted into the legality calculator. If legal for the trip call crew scheds and get paid for it. If they say no then call the union. Section 12 has nothing to do with trip coverage. Section 23 is what you need. If legal and if you submitted the request before they pulled the coverage you will be paid for it. A coverage pull is valid for 30 minutes. After that they have to pull it again if not covered so if the trip was still in open time 30 minutes after your request you know you are good.
02-10-2023 | 05:10 AM
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They probably ran the trip coverage as soon as the trip came up in open time and before you put in your YS. That's what they usually do. Unless you just had a blanket YS in that is.
10-21-2025 | 03:56 PM
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You do get PB days if the underlying day is an X-day. “Full” simply means no further obligation to the company for the bid month, nothing more. (And it is NOT required to be on your schedule to be true).
Having said that, you are correct that you might as well YS on a LC day, as it’s higher on the coverage ladder.
Having said that, you are correct that you might as well YS on a LC day, as it’s higher on the coverage ladder.
10-24-2025 | 11:55 AM
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Any avoidable gotchas with submitting a YS to fly over a mix of RES and X days that might prevent one from getting a trip? Any differences between for example X-X-LC vs LC-X-X? Attempting to get "full" as quickly as possible. Thanks!
10-24-2025 | 12:23 PM
#19
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Not that I’m aware of. No extra pay is due, and no PB days earned as I assume you’re aware. Everything you do just goes towards reserve guarantee to help you fill up.
10-24-2025 | 12:43 PM
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