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Meme In Command 07-25-2023 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3672693)
I don't know man, it's a crappy app. They say it's best to "clear the blue" yet the "blue" is still glitchy and slow to clear. I could easily see a delay caused by M+ even with experienced M+ users.

​​​​​​I think the big delays will come from the M+ server issues. Those have been going on for over a year now and still aren't resolved. Something tells me they'll go live on M+ before they should.

I had an awesome app at my regional, like way way better. But this is still usable. After a few months using it I actually have an easier time setting myself up for a flight than with the HTML. Now, I can't speak for the server issues. I haven't ran into one yet thankfully but if this is a bigger issue, then I totally agree it could be a nightmare after full implementation.

LumberJack 07-25-2023 09:36 PM

What's really sad is the layout of the legacy flight plan is atrocious and took me years to get really comfortable with. Even now I see the glaring drawbacks to the layout. I can totally understand why newer pilots prefer M+ over learning the legacy flight plan. That said, I much prefer HTML for the simple fact I get 90% of my preflight info on one page. 100% with a swipe. M+'s FMS INIT page still lacks required info making for a lot more jumping around. Add to that the terrible Nav Log, poor notam layout, missing features, poor UI, etc... I'm just amazed we chose NavBlue, the same company that still hasn't figured out how to scroll a website on a mobile device.

crewdawg 07-26-2023 03:25 AM

I gave M+ a try for about 3 months and I just switched back to paper, or the "CBP" under other docs, which is just the old flight plan in M+. Biggest gripe is that you can't use the up/down arrows to continue down through the sections (flt prep, in flight, notams, etc...). Why doesn't it move to the next section, rather than give you the popup of the current section? FMS Init button is a good idea but it still doesn't give all the data, why not just add cruise altitude and fuel in there? There are multiple other issues, but you get the point.

I'm not surprised the company put a stop to Oaknotes, they have a history of killing anything that is a far superior product that they didn't create, like iCrewMax. I'll even concede that MiCrew has morphed into a semi-decent product and has features nicer than max. But for some reason they refused to accept the one item that made it far superior to MiCrew, open time laid over a real calendar that makes so much sense.

hockeypilot44 07-26-2023 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3672832)
I gave M+ a try for about 3 months and I just switched back to paper, or the "CBP" under other docs, which is just the old flight plan in M+. Biggest gripe is that you can't use the up/down arrows to continue down through the sections (flt prep, in flight, notams, etc...). Why doesn't it move to the next section, rather than give you the popup of the current section? FMS Init button is a good idea but it still doesn't give all the data, why not just add cruise altitude and fuel in there? There are multiple other issues, but you get the point.

I'm not surprised the company put a stop to Oaknotes, they have a history of killing anything that is a far superior product that they didn't create, like iCrewMax. I'll even concede that MiCrew has morphed into a semi-decent product and has features nicer than max. But for some reason they refused to accept the one item that made it far superior to MiCrew, open time laid over a real calendar that makes so much sense.

micrew has that. It’s called visual view. Select it at top when viewing open time.

LumberJack 07-26-2023 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3672837)
micrew has that. It’s called visual view. Select it at top when viewing open time.

He means a real calendar. Like the one icrewmax and sked+ use.

crewdawg 07-26-2023 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3672837)
micrew has that. It’s called visual view. Select it at top when viewing open time.


Ya that is probably the worst possible depictions they could have selected for open time viewing. Imagine a real calendar, like the one we're all used to using, then imagine the entire months open time laid over that. You could even select trips you didn't want to see anymore during the refresh. I think I just deleted my last screen shot of an example or I'd post it here. Worked great, lasted short time thanks to Delta "saving the day."

JamesBond 07-26-2023 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3672683)
From the makers of children of the magenta, we bring you: Children of the Dot Matrix. Coming to a printed release near you

I see a lot more young guns complaining on here than old farts. I think M+ is great. The INIT page looks just like the airplane's... everything is cut up just like we used to do in the old days with paper FPs... It's gonna be fun watching the whiners scramble to learn to use it when the time comes.

hockeypilot44 07-26-2023 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3672860)
I see a lot more young guns complaining on here than old farts. I think M+ is great. The INIT page looks just like the airplane's... everything is cut up just like we used to do in the old days with paper FPs... It's gonna be fun watching the whiners scramble to learn to use it when the time comes.

I used mission plus. Not a big deal. The digital flight plan I was and am using is more organized and has more info. I quit using mission plus when it asked me to log in a third time in one day.

TED74 07-26-2023 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3672860)
I think M+ is great. The INIT page looks just like the airplane's... everything is cut up just like we used to do in the old days with paper FPs...

It’s “great” … compared to what?

Is that like the Jitterbug cell phone being great because it’s set up just like my old rolodex?

FL370esq 07-26-2023 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3672499)
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

That's.....well...."inconCEIVable!"


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