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Jaww 03-14-2023 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3607443)
Yeah. You got me. This is my first contract, so I was just guessing at how this will probably go.

Ok. Which aspects are you guessing at then? Don’t spew vitriol, give substance.

First Break 03-14-2023 08:07 AM

Here’s a mulligan while James is pondering.

The sun setting of the Covid LOA was immediate, and likely saved the Company a few bucks. It’s been debated as a “concession” on this board.

I think that getting Covid excluded from sick look back and the new provisions for a future pandemic far outweigh the tenuous value of the LOA that was negotiated during the deepest depths of the pandemic, and according to my reps was never really envisioned as something that would continue unchallenged for the rest of time. For that reason, I’m completely fine with the trade and don’t personally think it was concessionary in the traditional sense.

LumberJack 03-14-2023 07:32 PM

Pay Banding was also immediate.

Helps the company with training costs and churn... Which requires less pilots in those categories. (Far outweighs the hit for additional pay on the 330/765)

freezingflyboy 03-14-2023 11:54 PM

Increased distance learning pay was immediate. Throwing two extra meals on a flight at a combined cost of about $18 seemed seemed like an almost no/low cost item for a company of Delta's size. But maybe I don't know enough to know I don't know enough.

Herkflyr 03-15-2023 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3607862)
Pay Banding was also immediate.

Helps the company with training costs and churn... Which requires less pilots in those categories. (Far outweighs the hit for additional pay on the 330/765)

So you are a big fan of featherbedding and forcing needless training churn to "create jobs"? That reminds me of an American CEO traveling overseas and looking at a construction project. He noticed lots of workers with shovels but no heavy equipment. He asked "where's the heavy equipment?" The answer was "we don't use it because forcing everyone to use a shovel creates more jobs." His answer was "well then why not just tell everyone to use spoons?"

So in your perspective, 330 and 765 pilots should have disdain for their own pay raises, which were a "concession"? That doesn't pass the common sense test.

crazyjaydawg 03-15-2023 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3603531)
To ensure I’m not misinformed, we can board ASAP now on DHs? I was on a DH yesterday…and my boarding pass was main 1. The MOU doesn’t list boarding…so good to cutoff those wheel chairs and infants?


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3603560)
Correct, we can board as soon as the boarding process starts.

I was lucky enough to get into a “spirited” conversation with a gate agent last week over this. Fortunately there was a red coat at the podium that informed the rude gate agent of her ignorance.

Just because it’s in the PWA now, doesn’t mean that the company decided to tell ACS.

LumberJack 03-15-2023 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3607945)
So you are a big fan of featherbedding and forcing needless training churn to "create jobs"? That reminds me of an American CEO traveling overseas and looking at a construction project. He noticed lots of workers with shovels but no heavy equipment. He asked "where's the heavy equipment?" The answer was "we don't use it because forcing everyone to use a shovel creates more jobs." His answer was "well then why not just tell everyone to use spoons?"

So in your perspective, 330 and 765 pilots should have disdain for their own pay raises, which were a "concession"? That doesn't pass the common sense test.

I didn't say any of that.

Whoopsmybad 03-15-2023 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 3608000)
I was lucky enough to get into a “spirited” conversation with a gate agent last week over this. Fortunately there was a red coat at the podium that informed the rude gate agent of her ignorance.

Just because it’s in the PWA now, doesn’t mean that the company decided to tell ACS.

Screen shot the PWA and just show them. Saves the “spirited” part of the conversation. I’ve done it with that and the JS not counting as weight when payload optimized.

BCan 03-15-2023 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 3608000)
I was lucky enough to get into a “spirited” conversation with a gate agent last week over this. Fortunately there was a red coat at the podium that informed the rude gate agent of her ignorance.

Just because it’s in the PWA now, doesn’t mean that the company decided to tell ACS.

I’ve decided if I’m denied boarding, my technique will be;

1) immediately post on flight family (for all to see) that I was denied boarding. Post flights affected by my missed DH and that I’m contacting crew tracking.
2) contact crew tracking for re-booking.

I think gate agents would get the memo very quickly if this is a common technique.

Buck Rogers 03-15-2023 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3607862)
Pay Banding was also immediate.

Helps the company with training costs and churn... Which requires less pilots in those categories. (Far outweighs the hit for additional pay on the 330/765)

So that was on the companies demand list? Who would have thought it would be so easy to get pay banding?


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