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Old 03-11-2023 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Um, have you seen our flight attendants recently?
I have. They have a purple, grey, black, red, and pink ( sometimes) uniform. They even used to have casual fridays and could wear jeans.
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Old 03-11-2023 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UGBSM
I have. They have a purple, grey, black, red, and pink ( sometimes) uniform. They even used to have casual fridays and could wear jeans.
Dont forget about the crocs. Seriously, I’ve worked with many many FAs who wear these spongy mesh croc-like shoes.
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Old 03-11-2023 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
Dont forget about the crocs. Seriously, I’ve worked with many many FAs who wear these spongy mesh croc-like shoes.
in fairness, we have some captains rolling around in black vans shoes
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Old 03-11-2023 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
I just told my wife about the changes and that I was going single breasted. She doesn’t know the difference so I showed her the pictures. She informed me I would still be going double breasted

I guess anecdotally there is a data point.
My wife saw the pictures. I've been told I'm getting a single breasted one. Less buttons to fall off at least
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Old 03-11-2023 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
At least they made the stripes a weird color to go with the sun faded gray.
They've said they're going to make the stripes more gold but not as much as the current color.

They also haven't said if the shiney grey is going to change.

Personally I think the grey looks awful. Not even close to black.
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Old 03-11-2023 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dbrownie
I saw the sample in NY the material feels cheap and flimsy. I like the durability of the wool. Who doubts they didn’t go w the cheapest esp if they are paying for it?
We have never had uniform police other than ATL that I know of…so this will be one of those delayed roll out changes.
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Yup, saw them in the SEA lounge with the wife. We agreed they looked terrible. Office staff agreed, too. Felt super cheap.
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Old 03-12-2023 | 03:39 AM
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Maybe the new uniforms will give us all rashes and we can stay home for weeks growing out our beards. Then, when we come back we can wear whatever we want. There is precedence.
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Old 03-12-2023 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
This whole battle of uniform importance lives in the minds of deltoid pilots. You put way too much stock in NPS questions, as if the same questioned asked to a UA customer (How well dressed was your pilot?) would be terribly different. Passengers don't care that much about the nuance in buttons on your jacket, or your blazer color, etc.

Funny we have folks debating the dignity of our brand image, yet our corporate side has no problem outsourcing 1500+ daily flights to Skywest, Republic, EDV, (and historically several others) whose uniforms pieces include no hats, single breasted blazers, trench-coat, leather coat, sweater with epaulets, navy blue colors, different brass etc, all while being thanked for flying Delta. Guess what? Corporate not only knows most folks think they're still flying on Delta when they board that E175, they proactively try to blur the distinction. OBTW, I know our NPS on SKW is still very high, probably others too.

So yeah, If we switched buttons on our suit, or got a modern materials real coat option, etc, it would make an insignificant impact on our brand or bottom line. Most impactful in the minds of people who's identity is tied to their uniform.
Um ,Endeavor is not an “outsource” . Skywest and Republic are outsourced. Endeavor was created and is owned by DELTA. Delta pays us, owns the 9E jets, owns us as pilots and every penny of 9E existence comes from Delta. However your point is exactly the whole scam of the “regional” to begin with , especially WO “regionals”. The customers are convinced to believe that they are flying “Delta” from every possible perspective, except for the tiny “Endeavor” painted on the front of the RJ’s so small that one needs a microscope to see it. As the former Delta MEC chief, Jason Ambrosi, put it: Bring all Endeavor RJ flying and employees over to mainline certificate pronto. Then we can wear all the same costumes . Over time they can ween off of Skywest and Republic. Because of Covid they have already had to spend 500 million on retention and 60 percent pay raises and it still isn’t working . Until they end the class warfare system of the WO “regional” model and outsourced regionals , your point is absolutely spot on as far as the tackiness of it all.
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Old 03-12-2023 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
I’m on the other end of the spectrum. Pilots/flight attendants/mechanics/gate agents… each position needs 1 uniform. (2 if we’re going to do summer/winter.). It looks better as a group and has functionality identifying who works here.

The ultimate experiment in comfort was years ago when we did BCRF month and as an employee (not pilots) if you made a donation, you could wear a pink t-shirt and jeans ALL MONTH.

It was almost comical watching passengers come up the jet bridge and couldn’t find the gate agent to ask about connections, particularly international connecting customers that didn’t understand the fundraiser or speak English. Imagine the chaos of a bunch of t-shirts trying to corral passengers evacuating a jet if we had an emergency. On top of that, we looked like trash. Some can pull off pick-your-own-jeans day, some insist on 3 sizes too small!

Dress for the job you want. If we all dress like train engineers, expect to get paid like a train engineer.
I know Norfolk Southern isn’t actually in good graces right now and understand your point on dressing for the part, however train drivers actually make good money and the railroads have deep pockets and have outstanding retirement programs.
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Old 03-12-2023 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
You could ask that about anything.

Retirement pillar? To what end? I saved for retirement, too bad the deadzoners didn’t.

Professionalism? To what end? As long as I’m stable by 1,000’ and land in the touch down zone.

Courtesy? To what end? We’re not family and I don’t personally gain from being nice to you.

Uniforms? To what end? Nobody cares.

Teamwork and loyalty? To what end? Extract as much profit from the company as possible.

I hope you can sense the sarcasm. In the end, it’s fellow employees that make this job great or make it suck. You can choose who you’re going to be. Pretty much true everywhere. The sad thing is, people pretty much only care about themselves and don’t give a **** about fellow Delta employees.

I flew with a captain like you once. Bithched me out for filling out the menu request before him. “This used to be a captain’s airline!” Everything was about him. Set a good tone for the future of Delta.

What was the name of that truck driving school? I think I’m gonna need that.
Did you request the Double Quarter pounder with cheese Valu meal and that’s what the Captain wanted ? 😂 seriously , though your point is well stated.
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