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The new guy 04-24-2023 11:59 AM

X-Day Reroute…where is the gold?
 
I will preface this thread with the fact I am not a smart man, also I have read the appropriate PWA references and spoke to tracking and scheduling. I was rerouted into a golden x-day. I have never had this happen and believe it doesn’t comply with the pwa language as I have read it. Anyone out there that can share their experience on how PB day was handled and also any pay implications. Sorry to sound ignorant I have been lucky enough to avoid rerouted during my time here at Delta and am unfamiliar with how it all plays out. Here is the breakdown.
Rerouted enroute on 2nd to last leg of 4-day trip
day 5 of trip is one leg deadhead back to base on golden x-day

thanks in advance!

CBreezy 04-24-2023 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by The new guy (Post 3628538)
I will preface this thread with the fact I am not a smart man, also I have read the appropriate PWA references and spoke to tracking and scheduling. I was rerouted into a golden x-day. I have never had this happen and believe it doesn’t comply with the pwa language as I have read it. Anyone out there that can share their experience on how PB day was handled and also any pay implications. Sorry to sound ignorant I have been lucky enough to avoid rerouted during my time here at Delta and am unfamiliar with how it all plays out. Here is the breakdown.
Rerouted enroute on 2nd to last leg of 4-day trip
day 5 of trip is one leg deadhead back to base on golden x-day

thanks in advance!

What did you tell tracking and what did tracking tell you?

Also, pay treatment would fall under 23L I believe for reroute and getting back later than 4 hours after originally scheduled. Additionally, you may be owed pay treatment as well if the segment was uncovered more than 14 hours before. You should absolutely submit an ACE.

The new guy 04-24-2023 12:14 PM

I quoted the PWA regarding interruption of golden days and was told they weren’t up to speed on PWA references but scheduling was so I ended our conversation and reached out to scheduling and was told that it wasn’t against PWA but scheduler was also unfamiliar and asked several questions about PB day and pay and she claimed to have reached out to reroute desk via email.

CBreezy 04-24-2023 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by The new guy (Post 3628547)
I quoted the PWA regarding interruption of golden days and was told they weren’t up to speed on PWA references but scheduling was so I ended our conversation and reached out to scheduling and was told that it wasn’t against PWA but scheduler was also unfamiliar and asked several questions about PB day and pay and she claimed to have reached out to reroute desk via email.

Next call needs to be the Duty Pilot. They are required to make every effort to not fly on your golden day.

3 green 04-24-2023 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3628542)
What did you tell tracking and what did tracking tell you?

Also, pay treatment would fall under 23L I believe for reroute and getting back later than 4 hours after originally scheduled. Additionally, you may be owed pay treatment as well if the segment was uncovered more than 14 hours before. You should absolutely submit an ACE.

The 14-hour rule is gone now under the new contract. The 23. L.4 note was removed. The way I understand it, is that you can be rerouted as far out into the future as they choose now.

CBreezy 04-24-2023 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3628561)
The 14-hour rule is gone now under the new contract. The 23. L.4 note was removed. The way I understand it, is that you can be rerouted as far out into the future as they choose now.


Per the Deferred Implementation MOU: "Current Section 23 L. 4. rules apply until 8/1/2023"

interceptorpilo 04-24-2023 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by The new guy (Post 3628538)
I will preface this thread with the fact I am not a smart man, also I have read the appropriate PWA references and spoke to tracking and scheduling. I was rerouted into a golden x-day. I have never had this happen and believe it doesn’t comply with the pwa language as I have read it. Anyone out there that can share their experience on how PB day was handled and also any pay implications. Sorry to sound ignorant I have been lucky enough to avoid rerouted during my time here at Delta and am unfamiliar with how it all plays out. Here is the breakdown.
Rerouted enroute on 2nd to last leg of 4-day trip
day 5 of trip is one leg deadhead back to base on golden x-day

thanks in advance!

This pretty much exact thing happened to me. Wife and I had plans to leave town the next morning and had to delay by 8 hours. I called the Union on it and was told that the Company has to make every effort not to do this! Haha. There is no real way to check every effort. And it was unfortunately a fly now grieve later according to the Union scheduling expert I talked to. I ended up getting quite a bit of extra money. Paid for the extra leg on day 4, paid for the DH home on day 5 and paid 5:15 extra for the reroute. Took away a LITTLE bit of the sting.

3 green 04-25-2023 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3628569)
Per the Deferred Implementation MOU: "Current Section 23 L. 4. rules apply until 8/1/2023"

I guess scheduling hasn't received the info on that. I saw two different rotations where pilots were rerouted more than 14 hours out while a researched another PWA violation.

sailingfun 04-25-2023 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3628671)
I guess scheduling hasn't received the info on that. I saw two different rotations where pilots were rerouted more than 14 hours out while a researched another PWA violation.

They can reroute you into flying more than 14 hours out. It is however required that the segments are first placed into open time and run through the trip coverage ladder. After that they can go back to reroute and the rerouted pilots will get premium pay.
on the Golden Day intrusion crew tracking does not see that. You are required to notify them of the issue. They should of given you a reason at that point why there was no other option to cover the flying.

interceptorpilo 04-25-2023 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3628671)
I guess scheduling hasn't received the info on that. I saw two different rotations where pilots were rerouted more than 14 hours out while a researched another PWA violation.

They have and will reroute us all the time longer than 14 hours out in violation of the contract. Under 23L4.note we get paid for it. Call scheduling first and if they don’t pay the extra submit an ACE report. Under the new contract implementation on 8/1 all reroutes get paid extra regardless of 14 hours or not.


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