United CJO vs Delta CJO
06-27-2023 | 06:35 AM
#31
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
The current version of the age 67 legislation has a return-to-work entitlement. Many of Delta's VEOP's are chomping at the new pay rates (and they've forgotten what you have to live through to earn those rates). Age 67, as written, is a bigger deal than age 65 was. (I have no idea if the terms of Delta's VEOP will hold against Federal Law, but it will be tested).
All other things being equal, I'd go where that has less of an effect.
All other things being equal, I'd go where that has less of an effect.
06-27-2023 | 06:35 AM
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It’s impossible to know for someone hired today because United has hired so many in the last couple years and we don’t know when the 787’s will come in with Boeing’s supply chain issues. We’re probably talking about at least a few years though.
06-27-2023 | 06:43 AM
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The current version of the age 67 legislation has a return-to-work entitlement. Many of Delta's VEOP's are chomping at the new pay rates (and they've forgotten what you have to live through to earn those rates). Age 67, as written, is a bigger deal than age 65 was. (I have no idea if the terms of Delta's VEOP will hold against Federal Law, but it will be tested).
All other things being equal, I'd go where that has less of an effect.
All other things being equal, I'd go where that has less of an effect.
06-27-2023 | 08:08 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
In other words, whoever inserted it has a specific end-state goal in mind that 99% of Congress wouldn't even be aware of, or care about.
Courts are getting to be more human and less objective. I've seen results, even in DL administrative law cases, that I've not believed. ... sometimes a judge just wants to help someone out and they get incongruently subjective.
06-27-2023 | 09:52 AM
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06-27-2023 | 09:54 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. Have not seen the final version of the law, nor the contract the VEOPs signed. It surprised me the law had a right to return. That provision was explicitly not in the age 65 legislation. It is my understanding, based on reporting, that the legislator who inserted the current language has a brother who is a Delta pilot.
In other words, whoever inserted it has a specific end-state goal in mind that 99% of Congress wouldn't even be aware of, or care about.
Courts are getting to be more human and less objective. I've seen results, even in DL administrative law cases, that I've not believed. ... sometimes a judge just wants to help someone out and they get incongruently subjective.
In other words, whoever inserted it has a specific end-state goal in mind that 99% of Congress wouldn't even be aware of, or care about.
Courts are getting to be more human and less objective. I've seen results, even in DL administrative law cases, that I've not believed. ... sometimes a judge just wants to help someone out and they get incongruently subjective.
Interesting. If true wonder how they will handle a VEOP that got postponed until the mandatory retirement date??? Oh my, something for peeps to gnash their teeth over while awaiting AE results!
06-27-2023 | 10:01 AM
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Course you also have posts like this ^^^ to help get folks spooled up. I have an idea, why not wait until something becomes more official before peeps lose their ever loving shiznit over possibilities? Not like we get a vote is it?
06-27-2023 | 10:06 AM
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06-27-2023 | 10:09 AM
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