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Old 12-01-2023 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman

If your belief is that the pilot group would elect DH, then why be fearful of sending the chair position to a membership-wide vote?
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Old 12-01-2023 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My fear that someone could sway the vote worse. Remember the 4 we had running? KP had zero chance. As did the guy who does the podcast. What if the other guy turned into a rabble rouser? Then we have a MEC chair who tried to get the FO rep recalled for voting against him. Someone who would pull a stunt like that is dangerous.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
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You guys are….something.

The MEC Chair works directly for the MEC, which is comprised of the LEC reps. Having a MEC Chair elected by the pilot group creates the same train wreck system currently known as the APA.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
My fear that someone could sway the vote worse. Remember the 4 we had running? KP had zero chance. As did the guy who does the podcast. What if the other guy turned into a rabble rouser? Then we have a MEC chair who tried to get the FO rep recalled for voting against him. Someone who would pull a stunt like that is dangerous.
Almost as dangerous as someone who would voluntarily give away a negotiated benefit from our PWA, for nothing in return, through a closed-door settlement process. Then five months later send videos to the pilot group about how he is surprised and angry that management continues to walk all over him.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by myrkridia
What do you have against chickens?
Harbaugh says chicken is a nervous bird.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
You guys are….something.

The MEC Chair works directly for the MEC, which is comprised of the LEC reps. Having a MEC Chair elected by the pilot group creates the same train wreck system currently known as the APA.
Hopefully they are stupid enough to join ALPA. You need the dues.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Almost as dangerous as someone who would voluntarily give away a negotiated benefit from our PWA, for nothing in return, through a closed-door settlement process. Then five months later send videos to the pilot group about how he is surprised and angry that management continues to walk all over him.

You guys who keep saying “nothing in return” either don’t know the details or you’re intentionally ignoring the facts of the agreement or the circumstances surrounding it. It’s fine to disagree with the trade we made with the settlement agreement or feel like we didn’t get enough, or demand that something so important go to memrat. But you sound like an ignoramus to imply one man unilaterally gave the company something for nothing. A majority of our reps, in conjunction with and on the recommendation of a well-informed, hard-working and pilot-friendly scheduling committee chair, decided to strike the deal they did. Your hyperbole on the matter perfectly illustrates why we don’t need thousands of pilots group-thinking our way onto direct- electing a snake oil salesman promising to take management to the woodshed.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
You guys who keep saying “nothing in return” either don’t know the details or you’re intentionally ignoring the facts of the agreement or the circumstances surrounding it. It’s fine to disagree with the trade we made with the settlement agreement or feel like we didn’t get enough, or demand that something so important go to memrat. But you sound like an ignoramus to imply one man unilaterally gave the company something for nothing. A majority of our reps, in conjunction with and on the recommendation of a well-informed, hard-working and pilot-friendly scheduling committee chair, decided to strike the deal they did. Your hyperbole on the matter perfectly illustrates why we don’t need thousands of pilots group-thinking our way onto direct- electing a snake oil salesman promising to take management to the woodshed.
OK. So what did we get? Specifically. Not go read the agreement. What is it we got? A promise? Unfulfilled months later with no punishment for not following through? Really. Is there something I am missing here? I hope there is.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
You guys who keep saying “nothing in return” either don’t know the details or you’re intentionally ignoring the facts of the agreement or the circumstances surrounding it. It’s fine to disagree with the trade we made with the settlement agreement or feel like we didn’t get enough, or demand that something so important go to memrat. But you sound like an ignoramus to imply one man unilaterally gave the company something for nothing. A majority of our reps, in conjunction with and on the recommendation of a well-informed, hard-working and pilot-friendly scheduling committee chair, decided to strike the deal they did. Your hyperbole on the matter perfectly illustrates why we don’t need thousands of pilots group-thinking our way onto direct- electing a snake oil salesman promising to take management to the woodshed.
But that "group think" is somehow different than an alleged poll that destroyed a much ballyhooed pillar of the contract.

Good to know.
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Old 12-01-2023 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Almost as dangerous as someone who would voluntarily give away a negotiated benefit from our PWA, for nothing in return, through a closed-door settlement process. Then five months later send videos to the pilot group about how he is surprised and angry that management continues to walk all over him.
The deal was approved by the majority of the MEC. They gave him the authority to make that deal.
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