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Old 12-28-2023, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007 View Post
The best was when my category was second worse for sick usage at the company. One guy on the bid tree said we need to try harder, second place is first loser. Always strive to be first.

Congratulations to the ATL 765 guys and gals.

The instructors really need to pull it together. You were so close. I expect better performance next year.
I’m hoping for a better performance from MSP next year. After all Delta effectively lobbied our state government that our sick time is PTO to remove our state sick benefit.
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Old 12-28-2023, 04:49 AM
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This is so twisted.
I don’t care if my category wins an extra day or not, but I’m not actively rooting for more pilots to get sick so we show the man. Stay healthy everyone. Stay home if you’re sick.
I read all of it as absurd-comedy. It’s a joke. It’s about playing a role as a comedic foil. The company’s policy rewards categories for not using sick leave. It’s in place as an incentive to help discourage “abuse” of the sick policy. But most of the group are high functioning adults who know when it’s appropriate to use sick time and when it’s not. Given that, the policy is on its face absurd and the unintended consequence is that the true incentive is for pilots to fly sick.

I think we all get that part. The cheerleading and rooting for 1st place most usage is comedic hyperbole that is being used to further illustrate the absurdity of the entire policy. It’s like holding a mirror up to management saying “can you see how ridiculous this is/you are?”

everyone gets offended by comedy or claims that just because they can’t understand it must be mean spirited or misguided. I don’t think anyone truly cares who has the most sick time usage, but it’s a hilarious joke that 765atl “wins” the clown game. Rooting for instructors to get it together is a follow-on hilarious joke that they almost got there, and maybe one more cancelled event (maybe even yours planetrain…!) could have clinched the win.

This thread has been one of the few entertaining things on here in months. it’s funny. Oh the misgendering thing was funny too- but for the same reason. It’s hilarious that an activist looking for a fight got shut down hard and the “best part of my day” comment that garnered a comment or few from those who don’t get funny… it was just that, hilarious! Everyone deserves dignity and respect. But that nonsense behavior was handled well and the joke about “best part of my day” is a comedic exaggeration about how it is refreshing to see an activist looking for a fight so well handled for once.

everyone show each other some grace, every individual. We all have different backgrounds and stories and people with whom we vehemently disagree can be treated still with respect. They are the ones that can teach us the most and help us to better understand the world around us- even if we never agree on anything. Most instances of misgendering are due to lack of awareness on an issue that for most humans is a fringe concept. Be gracious on both sides and stop pretending that everyone is out to get you. And keep laughing at yourself. If you can’t laugh at yourself it’s rude to laugh at others… //OffSoapBox.

By the way Planetrain, maybe I misread your comment “This is so twisted.” The greatest comedy IS, and I can see now that you were probably acknowledging the brilliance here. My mis-read, my bad! 😆
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Old 12-28-2023, 05:26 AM
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I read all of it as absurd-comedy. It’s a joke. It’s about playing a role as a comedic foil. The company’s policy rewards categories for not using sick leave. It’s in place as an incentive to help discourage “abuse” of the sick policy. But most of the group are high functioning adults who know when it’s appropriate to use sick time and when it’s not. Given that, the policy is on its face absurd and the unintended consequence is that the true incentive is for pilots to fly sick.
I find the comedic part (in a Catch-22 logic kinda way) to be, essentially, if you don't call in sick a lot, we will reward you by giving you days off anyway (at a greatly reduced rate). [Insert 1-minute Harvard B-school backslappin' "Ferda" cele] 🤔🤣
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Old 12-28-2023, 05:34 AM
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Just wait until NYC 73N reduces their sick leave % by 0.02 in the next few days and they get 1 supplemental day just before the deadline.
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Old 12-28-2023, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad View Post
You can still call in sick and then get home. Just don’t trap someone else that close to you for 5 hours that is trying to work to provide for their family. You have no idea what health issues that their family may have, and what you give that person could put their loved ones in a bad spot.

Just don’t fly sick. Period.
I was thrown into Pub-Lic.~RW I'm allergic to work. No seriusly, at altitude I frequently get sneezing fits. Maybe it's the dust but it comes on like allergies. If I went home everytime that happened I'd be out of sick time and verifying my sanity. Sometimes it's just dust or something, sometimes not. But the lecture is veeeeeeery informative.
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Old 12-28-2023, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Flownit View Post
I read all of it as absurd-comedy. It’s a joke. It’s about playing a role as a comedic foil. The company’s policy rewards categories for not using sick leave. It’s in place as an incentive to help discourage “abuse” of the sick policy. But most of the group are high functioning adults who know when it’s appropriate to use sick time and when it’s not. Given that, the policy is on its face absurd and the unintended consequence is that the true incentive is for pilots to fly sick.

I think we all get that part. The cheerleading and rooting for 1st place most usage is comedic hyperbole that is being used to further illustrate the absurdity of the entire policy. It’s like holding a mirror up to management saying “can you see how ridiculous this is/you are?”

everyone gets offended by comedy or claims that just because they can’t understand it must be mean spirited or misguided. I don’t think anyone truly cares who has the most sick time usage, but it’s a hilarious joke that 765atl “wins” the clown game. Rooting for instructors to get it together is a follow-on hilarious joke that they almost got there, and maybe one more cancelled event (maybe even yours planetrain…!) could have clinched the win.

This thread has been one of the few entertaining things on here in months. it’s funny. Oh the misgendering thing was funny too- but for the same reason. It’s hilarious that an activist looking for a fight got shut down hard and the “best part of my day” comment that garnered a comment or few from those who don’t get funny… it was just that, hilarious! Everyone deserves dignity and respect. But that nonsense behavior was handled well and the joke about “best part of my day” is a comedic exaggeration about how it is refreshing to see an activist looking for a fight so well handled for once.

everyone show each other some grace, every individual. We all have different backgrounds and stories and people with whom we vehemently disagree can be treated still with respect. They are the ones that can teach us the most and help us to better understand the world around us- even if we never agree on anything. Most instances of misgendering are due to lack of awareness on an issue that for most humans is a fringe concept. Be gracious on both sides and stop pretending that everyone is out to get you. And keep laughing at yourself. If you can’t laugh at yourself it’s rude to laugh at others… //OffSoapBox.

By the way Planetrain, maybe I misread your comment “This is so twisted.” The greatest comedy IS, and I can see now that you were probably acknowledging the brilliance here. My mis-read, my bad! 😆
I wasn’t going for comedy. Taking care of 2 sick family members at home and just had a funeral last week (wasn’t mine ). Guess the time of day i read this had me a little triggered for how precious is each day we have. Sick leave isn’t always just a cold. Sorry my irony-detector was on MEL. Will get that adjusted in the new year!

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Old 12-28-2023, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61 View Post
Just wait until NYC 73N reduces their sick leave % by 0.02 in the next few days and they get 1 supplemental day just before the deadline.
I already won. Just under 50 hours this year so next years sick calls are all freebees.

/sarc/

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Originally Posted by FL370esq View Post
I find the comedic part (in a Catch-22 logic kinda way) to be, essentially, if you don't call in sick a lot, we will reward you by giving you days off anyway (at a greatly reduced rate). [Insert 1-minute Harvard B-school backslappin' "Ferda" cele] 🤔🤣
eggsactly this ^^^^
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Old 12-28-2023, 08:15 AM
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I'm guessing the numbers are higher because the company used the excuse that our sick leave is PTO to weasel they're way out of Minnesota state sick. That sword cuts both ways, so PTO it is! 🤣
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Originally Posted by crewdawg View Post
I'm guessing the numbers are higher…
Maybe our amount of overtime flying is much higher than average. Since they exclude all the IA/GS pay from the denominator, sick % could be higher?

In other words, 5 hours of sick on 85 hours of pay is 5.88%; 5 hours of sick on 70 hours pay and 15 hours GS pay is 7.14% sick. GS threshold is lower now.

14.K.4 formula
Sick pay/Non premium pay only = % sick pay
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