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Old 12-29-2023, 12:00 PM
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“Overall, we'll see the level of training activity taper off as we head into 2024, as our pilot hiring number will only hit about 1,100 (and I say "only" somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because remember that any other year, hiring 1,100 pilots would be considered an incredibly high number) - but I have to give such a huge shout-out to the training team for their incredible work this year.”

Cutting hiring in half. Is UAL slowing down their hiring?
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Old 12-29-2023, 12:04 PM
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“Overall, we'll see the level of training activity taper off as we head into 2024, as our pilot hiring number will only hit about 1,100 (and I say "only" somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because remember that any other year, hiring 1,100 pilots would be considered an incredibly high number) - but I have to give such a huge shout-out to the training team for their incredible work this year.”

Cutting hiring in half. Is UAL slowing down their hiring?
if we continue to hire 200/month in Q1 like was stated on the last AE and only hire 1,100 this year, that puts post q1 hiring at a average of about 55 pilots a month.
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My guess - Delta is betting on a mild recession next year along with age 67. Add to that - they might be running out of qualified people to interview and the only other choice would be to lower standards.
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My guess - Delta is betting on a mild recession next year along with age 67. Add to that - they might be running out of qualified people to interview and the only other choice would be to lower standards.
Delta doesn’t have a WB aircraft order, that’s why they are slowing down hiring. UA isn’t slowing down hiring in 2024 because they are receiving a new NB plane every 3 days in 2024 and WB orders on top of that
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My assumptions and guess are this is more money-driven than anything. We are waaaaay over-staffed compare to the historical norms. Tapping the breaks allows profits to remain strong in a potential "down" year of revenues, allows the candidate pool to build back up some and then allows us to hit it hard again in 2025 as the MAXes start to show up. 1100 is still a great number to be sure.
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My assumptions and guess are this is more money-driven than anything. We are waaaaay over-staffed compare to the historical norms. Tapping the breaks allows profits to remain strong in a potential "down" year of revenues, allows the candidate pool to build back up some and then allows us to hit it hard again in 2025 as the MAXes start to show up. 1100 is still a great number to be sure.
Still receiving 330, 350 and 321Neos this next year. I think we still have close to 100 more NEOs to be delivered.
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Originally Posted by 170Till5 View Post
Delta doesn’t have a WB aircraft order, that’s why they are slowing down hiring. UA isn’t slowing down hiring in 2024 because they are receiving a new NB plane every 3 days in 2024 and WB orders on top of that
Except we are take something like 35 A330s and A350s in the next 24 months, as well as about 100 more NEOS, and when those stop the MAX will start showing up. None of that takes into account the long anticipated forthcoming WB order. And we have seen WBA approach post-merger hires and the junior bidders SSN is dropping like a rock on every bid. This sort of movement hasn’t happened for decades, if ever in the history of Delta.

Maybe the slowdown in hiring is due to the fact we’ve minted something like 5000 new first officers since COVID, and with the coming deliveries and subsequent wide body movement, training resources will be fully allocated to upward movement.
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Around 500 retirements and net +50 aircraft, 1100 sounds about right.
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Except we are take something like 35 A330s and A350s in the next 24 months, as well as about 100 more NEOS, and when those stop the MAX will start showing up. None of that takes into account the long anticipated forthcoming WB order. And we have seen WBA approach post-merger hires and the junior bidders SSN is dropping like a rock on every bid. This sort of movement hasn’t happened for decades, if ever in the history of Delta.

Maybe the slowdown in hiring is due to the fact we’ve minted something like 5000 new first officers since COVID, and with the coming deliveries and subsequent wide body movement, training resources will be fully allocated to upward movement.
Maybe Delta will staple Endeavor to the bottom of the list too? I figure every legacy right now is trying to scoop up all the qualified talent they possibly can since there is a shortage
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy View Post
My assumptions and guess are this is more money-driven than anything. We are waaaaay over-staffed compare to the historical norms. Tapping the breaks allows profits to remain strong in a potential "down" year of revenues, allows the candidate pool to build back up some and then allows us to hit it hard again in 2025 as the MAXes start to show up. 1100 is still a great number to be sure.
Yep I think this is most likely. However I kind of doubt we'll see a max in 2025 unless Boeing really gets their stuff together.
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