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notEnuf 01-11-2024 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3749629)
About 40k. 1990

That seems reasonable for 34 years ago. But here's what you wrote. "My son gets more in his B plan per month in year two than I made total in year 4." I think you meant per year.

Planetrain 01-11-2024 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by CaptKochblauch (Post 3749458)
Someone sent this letter to me, which apparently the old guys are attempting to circulate in Washington. I recognize some names on here, including guys who have been retired for years and years...and have zero skin in the game. And a couple of current reps.

Their point so abysmally argued, that I have doubts about its legitimacy.

The premise of this letter seems to be "our careers did not meet our expectations, so we deserve more time! Waaaaa!" Typical of that generation. I'm sure fiftysome washed up ALPA "has-beens" "wannabees" and "never-weres" will move the needle./s

This is my favorite line: "As a pilot moves up in seniority, so does their position on the flight deck, with commensurate pay and benefits."

Translation: "We want to move the goalposts and give ourselves two more years at the highest seniority we will ever hold."

I love how they all attached their titles, as if anyone in Congress knows or cares what they mean.

A real union would kick these clowns out PDQ.

I highlighted the two current reps who signed in case anyone in Captain Forbes's or Captains Johnson's councils wants to have a talk with them.

Very surprised at some of these names if true.

Hotel Kilo 01-11-2024 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3749561)
I wonder how many of them would support 67 if it went into effect with 5 year implementation schedule?

I mean, it’s all about safety and mentoring right?

If this letter is legit, wow, what a huge blunder.

I'm old, retiring soon and don't support 67. I agree with sailing, 65 hit the sweet spot. As to these blokes, my association speaks for me. Not these people. Give it a rest already.

hockeypilot44 01-11-2024 11:17 AM

The last of the baby boomers. Most entitled generation in history. Not going to get into details because the points have been argued relentlessly. Their position is self-serving. I have yet to fly with a 64 year old that plans on retiring if age raised.

marcal 01-11-2024 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3749571)
I just have to say, Cooks ≠ Kooks…

Thank you! Thought I was the only one.

interceptorpilo 01-11-2024 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3749655)
The last of the baby boomers. Most entitled generation in history. Not going to get into details because the points have been argued relentlessly. Their position is self-serving. I have yet to fly with a 64 year old that plans on retiring if age raised.

I am at the end of the baby boomers and I do not agree with them at all. Do not lump us all in together. You are such a millennial!/S

Splert 01-11-2024 11:34 AM

Yesterday ALPA said: Age 67 will "increase ticket prices".

Today ALPA says: Airlines can "solve their pilot shortage with industry leading contracts".

https://www.facebook.com/ALPAPilots

Next they will embrace DEI.

Oh ... they already have!

Scoop 01-11-2024 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3749530)
I don't favor 67. I think 65 was the sweet spot between being fair and a decline in ability to multitask and handle complex situations. What I do find odd however is the current group of pilots screaming about the loss of what would probably be a year to 14 months of career advancement. I find it odd because pilots hired post 2007 have seen a unheard of level of advancement. They will also enjoy a retirement probably triple pilots who have retired in the last 5 years.



Ok - for the one millionth time, it is not the new and recent hires that will mostly be affected by this although they will experience some negative effects. It is the 1998-2001 hires who already lived through 5 extra years in the right seat, furloughs, BK etc that will be very negatively affected. Just when these guys are knocking on the WB-A door we are discussing moving the goalposts again.

As I am approaching geezerhood at 60, I am mostly agnostic on this issue. But if the decision were mine, I would not change the age.

Scoop

blue vortex 01-11-2024 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3749675)
Ok - for the one millionth time, it is not the new and recent hires that will mostly be affected by this although they will experience some negative effects. It is the 1998-2001 hires who already lived through 5 extra years in the right seat, furloughs, BK etc that will be very negatively affected. Just when these guys are knocking on the WB-A door we are discussing moving the goalposts again.

As I am approaching geezerhood at 60, I am mostly agnostic on this issue. But if the decision were mine, I would not change the age.

Scoop

Just food for thought here but I fly with a lot of 98–2001 hires and most all of them are favor in increasing the age to 67 now. It's not just the "1989 hire, age 64 guys" that are in favor.

PilotBases 01-11-2024 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3749571)
I just have to say, Cooks ≠ Kooks…

Who says it was Kooks and not a different misspelling?


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