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Old 02-09-2024, 05:20 PM
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Back in the dark ages we did the WDR at the gate before push. Management thought they could squeeze a few more on-times, and ground minutes, and less weight tolerance if we waited for the actual bag count before generating the WDR. So that "found time" allowed additional weight and schedule efficiency. The routine was to read outloud as soon as recieved, meaning during push because the captain was doing anything. Monitoring yes, but doing nothing. Fast forward and we have come full circle to doing it with the brake set and taking the time. BTW beacon on was what generated the out time so many captains just switched on the becon, did the WDR and then called for push.
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Old 02-10-2024, 09:22 PM
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Why do we have to wait until after we get push clearance to release the brakes?
Of course we should finish all the checklists first, but then we just just be allowed to release the brakes, get paid and be on time
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Old 02-11-2024, 05:11 AM
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Why do we have to wait until after we get push clearance to release the brakes?
Of course we should finish all the checklists first, but then we just just be allowed to release the brakes, get paid and be on time
For me it's a safetey issue. With the brakes set I know there shouldn't be any uncommanded movement. Personally I couldn't care less when we block out. The on time isn't the trophy a safe comprehensive preflight including boarding and bag loading is. With the new procedures it can be 15 early or 5 late, nobody knows how it will play out to the second until it does. If the FAs need a minute because the door was closed with someone in the lav when the agent rushed to close the door, so be it. Same for me, the ramp, et al. Besides with all the pad on block times and the other pay rules it rarely make a difference on the paystub.
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Old 02-11-2024, 05:58 AM
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Why do we have to wait until after we get push clearance to release the brakes?
Of course we should finish all the checklists first, but then we just just be allowed to release the brakes, get paid and be on time
It's because Delta tracks "latency" as a metric (time from brake release to beginning pushback). Latency and dwell time were all the rage a few years ago.. haven't heard too much lately.
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Old 02-11-2024, 06:03 AM
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I saw a dude with a clipboard and multiple pages on it with highlights and underlines. Used for the preflight setup and briefing.

Wasn’t shocked to learn he was a P-3 guy
Funny. It's not former P-3 peeps we have a problem with at my airline....."Viper".
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Old 02-11-2024, 07:07 AM
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It's because Delta tracks "latency" as a metric (time from brake release to beginning pushback). Latency and dwell time were all the rage a few years ago.. haven't heard too much lately.
It led to rushing.

If they wanted a truly accurate "out" time, it would be based on GPS.
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Old 02-11-2024, 07:18 AM
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It led to rushing.

If they wanted a truly accurate "out" time, it would be based on GPS.
At the regionals, we would be in a massive hurry to get the door closed and drop the brake, because that not only started the clock for on-time departure (which management was hellbent on), but it started our pay. At 20 bucks an hour, had to milk the clock for all it was worth.

At Big D, I don't even think about it. Odd how paying someone appropriately makes them a safer pilot.
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Old 02-11-2024, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
It led to rushing.

If they wanted a truly accurate "out" time, it would be based on GPS.
At OO it led to some latency heroes trying to time dropping the brake after giving the push clearance to the tug and try to get it down to the second. I don't know of any actual incidents but I'd be shocked if it didn't lead to some gear/tug damage.
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Old 02-11-2024, 12:19 PM
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Why do we have to wait until after we get push clearance to release the brakes?
Of course we should finish all the checklists first, but then we just just be allowed to release the brakes, get paid and be on time
There was a lot of communication about this a few years ago, but basically they want us to be late if we are actually late. The only way they know there's a problem with ramp congestion, push crew availability, etc. is if we leave late, hence don't drop the brake until you have push clearance. I think it's solid policy and something that shows they actually care about running a good operation over the longterm vs. getting the short term ontime 'win' but masking the real problem.
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Old 02-11-2024, 12:39 PM
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There was a lot of communication about this a few years ago, but basically they want us to be late if we are actually late. The only way they know there's a problem with ramp congestion, push crew availability, etc. is if we leave late, hence don't drop the brake until you have push clearance. I think it's solid policy and something that shows they actually care about running a good operation over the longterm vs. getting the short term ontime 'win' but masking the real problem.
How does five minutes of D delay for ramp congestion/push clearance highlight a “real problem” when everyone from gate agents to below wing bust their butts to be ready at D0? If they really wanted to identify problems, they’d simply want a latency code when dwell time is high. The way to ruin a good operation is to **** in one group’s cheerios because some unrelated factor screwed up their performance metric.
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