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01-18-2024, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Interesting the ratio of total pilots to total flight attendants.
Not as great a gap as you might imagine.
Not as great a gap as you might imagine.
01-18-2024, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I hate to be Debbie Downer but consider this; the day before 9-11-2001 Delta had 10,400 pilots and NWA had 7,500.
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
We still have not recovered from 9-11 and the contract concessions we gave up in Bankruptcy.
We gave away scope on both ends, and we gave Korean Airlines the Narita hub, that's why we have less pilots today than in 2001.
We gave management PBS, which allows them to staff the Airline with 20% fewer pilots than the fixed 75hr cap we had before bankruptcy.
We are still being paid 20% less than our wages in 2001 adjusted for inflation.
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
We still have not recovered from 9-11 and the contract concessions we gave up in Bankruptcy.
We gave away scope on both ends, and we gave Korean Airlines the Narita hub, that's why we have less pilots today than in 2001.
We gave management PBS, which allows them to staff the Airline with 20% fewer pilots than the fixed 75hr cap we had before bankruptcy.
We are still being paid 20% less than our wages in 2001 adjusted for inflation.
The computers (at least partly) tuk are jebs.
01-18-2024, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
We also flew flight engineered L10s and 727s.
The computers (at least partly) tuk are jebs.
The computers (at least partly) tuk are jebs.
I'll see if google knows when we parked them...
Google says there were no L1011s left on 9-11, 2001:
What year did Delta retire the L-1011?
2001
TriStar 1 N728DA flew Delta's final L-1011 service on July 31, 2001. It was a roundtrip from Atlanta to Orlando, Florida, and back to Atlanta. The fuselage of Lockheed's first L-1011 was converted into a movie set. It is now housed at the Delta Flight Museum.
01-18-2024, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I think all the 727s were parked before 2001, and not many L1011s around then either.
I'll see if google knows when we parked them...
I'll see if google knows when we parked them...
DL EOY2000 831
NW EOY2000 469
DL EOY2001 813
DL today 974
I thought L10 retirement was later. Thx
01-18-2024, 07:27 PM
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Apparently the 727s went away in 2003:
What year did Delta retire the 727?
2003
The aircraft and engines were to be sold as they retired from Delta's fleet under the airline's 727 retirement schedule. Delta was the last major U.S. carrier to fly the Boeing 727. Delta's last commercial 727 flight was Greensboro, NC, to Atlanta on Sunday, April 6, 2003.
What year did Delta retire the 727?
2003
The aircraft and engines were to be sold as they retired from Delta's fleet under the airline's 727 retirement schedule. Delta was the last major U.S. carrier to fly the Boeing 727. Delta's last commercial 727 flight was Greensboro, NC, to Atlanta on Sunday, April 6, 2003.
01-18-2024, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
We also flew flight engineered L10s and 727s.
The computers (at least partly) tuk are jebs.
The computers (at least partly) tuk are jebs.
I’m curious as to total airframe count pre9/11 to now and how the WB/NB ratio compares too
01-18-2024, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Mainline fleet count
DL EOY2000 831
NW EOY2000 469
DL EOY2001 813
DL today 974
I thought L10 retirement was later. Thx
DL EOY2000 831
NW EOY2000 469
DL EOY2001 813
DL today 974
I thought L10 retirement was later. Thx
All the majors and Wall Street got together after 9-11 and decided what the airline industry needed to make big money was to eliminate as much competition as possible. They decided who was going to merge with who, and they decided no more "price wars". That's why the big 8 became the bigger 4 and they got out of each others backyards. It's why Delta closed the Dallas hub and American got out of ATL and Delta got out of DEN and ORD and United went big in SFO and left LAX to Delta.
They know what they're doing and "competition" in hubs only lowers fares, so we won't have any of that!
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