17,000+ !!
01-18-2024, 01:59 PM
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17,000+ !!
As of today’s MEC update we’ve crossed 17,000. Unbelievable. Considering what we were potentially looking at when Covid first happened(before Salary guarantees, etc), this is great. Let’s hope the good times keep rolling. On to 20K!
01-18-2024, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
As of today’s MEC update we’ve crossed 17,000. Unbelievable. Considering what we were potentially looking at when Covid first happened(before Salary guarantees, etc), this is great. Let’s hope the good times keep rolling. On to 20K!
01-18-2024, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
As of today’s MEC update we’ve crossed 17,000. Unbelievable. Considering what we were potentially looking at when Covid first happened(before Salary guarantees, etc), this is great. Let’s hope the good times keep rolling. On to 20K!
01-18-2024, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
We won't be at 20k if we stay at 1100/yr.
So we’ll say for arguments sake that we’re roughly 18,000 pilots by the end of 2024. Add roughly another 700 (assuming 4% growth) plus retirements and you’re starting to get close to 19,000. Extrapolate that out over a couple more years and we could (emphasis on could) be at about 20,000 pilots by 2028.
01-18-2024, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
At 1,100 a year with 500ish retirements per year we could hit 20k by 2030. Theoretically
Just my uninformed reading of the tea leaves.
01-18-2024, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
I'd rather be the most profitable rather than the biggest, given the choice.
It appears that Spirit is in a deep spin right now and the whole ULCC model is facing an existential crisis. I think there will soon be a lot of room for US4+ to grow.
01-18-2024, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
As of today’s MEC update we’ve crossed 17,000. Unbelievable. Considering what we were potentially looking at when Covid first happened(before Salary guarantees, etc), this is great. Let’s hope the good times keep rolling. On to 20K!
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
We still have not recovered from 9-11 and the contract concessions we gave up in Bankruptcy.
We gave away scope on both ends, and we gave Korean Airlines the Narita hub, that's why we have less pilots today than in 2001.
We gave management PBS, which allows them to staff the Airline with 20% fewer pilots than the fixed 75hr cap we had before bankruptcy.
We are still being paid 20% less than our wages in 2001 adjusted for inflation.
01-18-2024, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I hate to be Debbie Downer but consider this; the day before 9-11-2001 Delta had 10,400 pilots and NWA had 7,500.
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
We still have not recovered from 9-11 and the contract concessions we gave up in Bankruptcy.
We gave away scope on both ends, and we gave Korean Airlines the Narita hub, that's why we have less pilots today than in 2001.
We gave management PBS, which allows them to staff the Airline with 20% fewer pilots than the fixed 75hr cap we had before bankruptcy.
We are still being paid 20% less than our wages in 2001 adjusted for inflation.
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
We still have not recovered from 9-11 and the contract concessions we gave up in Bankruptcy.
We gave away scope on both ends, and we gave Korean Airlines the Narita hub, that's why we have less pilots today than in 2001.
We gave management PBS, which allows them to staff the Airline with 20% fewer pilots than the fixed 75hr cap we had before bankruptcy.
We are still being paid 20% less than our wages in 2001 adjusted for inflation.
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