17,000+ !!
01-19-2024, 01:54 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I hate to be Debbie Downer but consider this; the day before 9-11-2001 Delta had 10,400 pilots and NWA had 7,500.
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
I get that you won't ever be happy, but this line doesn't even come across as believable.
01-19-2024, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I hate to be Debbie Downer but consider this; the day before 9-11-2001 Delta had 10,400 pilots and NWA had 7,500.
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
Together that's 17,900 pilots, in 2001! That's 23 years ago! That's NOT "Growth"!
Do you have both lists from those days? To compare apples to apples, it would be interesting to see how many of those 17,900 were FE's. It looks like we've already established that we still had quite a few planes with FE's on 9/11.
01-19-2024, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Do you have both lists from those days? To compare apples to apples, it would be interesting to see how many of those 17,900 were FE's. It looks like we've already established that we still had quite a few planes with FE's on 9/11.
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01-19-2024, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Do you have both lists from those days? To compare apples to apples, it would be interesting to see how many of those 17,900 were FE's. It looks like we've already established that we still had quite a few planes with FE's on 9/11.
01-19-2024, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Do you have both lists from those days? To compare apples to apples, it would be interesting to see how many of those 17,900 were FE's. It looks like we've already established that we still had quite a few planes with FE's on 9/11.
During the merger the company would talk about the "Synergy" that they were creating, as they cut overlapping flying! It was more like 2+3=4.
01-19-2024, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by House of Usher
Unfortunately at some point down the road they'll be saying, "Remember when our fleet had First Officers."
I'd say most pilots flying today will probably never utter those words. They may say remember when this flight had 3 or 4 pilots though.
Originally Posted by Timbo
No, I never kept fleet or seniority lists. I forgot about the engineer jobs which went away, so yeah at 17,000 today we have more flying jobs (vs sitting sideways). Which is good. I think the total number of airframes for DL+NW in 2001 was posted above.
During the merger the company would talk about the "Synergy" that they were creating, as they cut overlapping flying! It was more like 2+3=4.
During the merger the company would talk about the "Synergy" that they were creating, as they cut overlapping flying! It was more like 2+3=4.
Ya the unfortunate byproduct of a merger. People love to opine about the days they could freely non-rev around the system, which means lots of empty seats. If we took 2+3=5 with all those open seats, that wouldn't make financial sense and would be bad for jobs in the long run. I understand that isn't great for pilot jobs in the short term, but shoveling cash into a fire isn't good long term either. They already do a good job of lighting cash on fire in many other ways lol.
01-19-2024, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
cough…. MOAD before VEOP….. cough (most recent and egregious)
Pilots would have appreciated being told the honest truth. But Managment had to pull a Col Jesup.
01-19-2024, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Also mind blowing to think that during the UNA years, emails were floated that the pilot workforce would come out with around 6,000 pilots left.
Wild.
Wild.
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