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Old 01-30-2024, 03:56 PM
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The original grant of anti-trust immunity was conditional on the Mexican government playing fair with MMMX slots. At that time there were plans to build a big new not-slot-constrained airport. The new populist Presidente' ran on an anti airport, anti-airplane platform. He parked their head of state 787 and canceled the airport construction (not finishing it cost billions). Since then Mexico has continued trying to limit MMMX flying, starting with a ban on cargo operations. I have not followed the slots, but apparently the US has not been getting its fair share.

Thus, due to violations of the bilateral trade agreement, the US government has withdrawn the conditional ATI grant.

So. Can we get a Mia PILOT base and fly more to Latin America with Latam?

I would love to be McO, but I can settle with South FL.
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Old 01-30-2024, 03:58 PM
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If this posts, it is the pre-pandemic codeshare route map.
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Old 01-30-2024, 04:01 PM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbzXEWbX0AMzhDw?format=jpg&name=medium

If this posts, it is the pre-pandemic codeshare route map.
CUN base. You heard it here first!
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Old 01-30-2024, 04:13 PM
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So. Can we get a Mia PILOT base and fly more to Latin America with Latam?

I would love to be McO, but I can settle with South FL.
This helps American Airlines and hurts everyone else. American does a sitty job of revenue management. Prices will be lower.

The loss of marginal Mexican ticket buyers, plus the reduction in ticket prices, is not likely to appeal to Delta network folks.

It is hard for Americans to understand negotiations in some parts of the world:
  • Compliance is at the convenience of the locals
  • Locals come first ... & last
  • Relationships matter more than contracts
  • There is no efficient, fair, judiciary
  • If you put your money in expecting something in return - that is just not how it works
  • Expecting contractual compliance after you spent your money is "arrogant" ... and arrogance justifies non-compliance
What you have to do is meter the money. You have to make small deals, monitor them and then pay for completed projects. You may have to negotiate w/ and pay subcontractors separately. It is A LOT of time, a lot of work and can be a lot of fun.
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Old 01-30-2024, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter View Post
Does it really matter ? I think just about everyone that lived in Mexico is now living here or has come here in the last 4 years so the airlines here are probably flying most of those people already 😵‍💫👀💀
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Old 01-30-2024, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
This helps American Airlines and hurts everyone else. American does a sitty job of revenue management. Prices will be lower.

The loss of marginal Mexican ticket buyers, plus the reduction in ticket prices, is not likely to appeal to Delta network folks.

It is hard for Americans to understand negotiations in some parts of the world:
  • Compliance is at the convenience of the locals
  • Locals come first ... & last
  • Relationships matter more than contracts
  • There is no efficient, fair, judiciary
  • If you put your money in expecting something in return - that is just not how it works
  • Expecting contractual compliance after you spent your money is "arrogant" ... and arrogance justifies non-compliance
What you have to do is meter the money. You have to make small deals, monitor them and then pay for completed projects. You may have to negotiate w/ and pay subcontractors separately. It is A LOT of time, a lot of work and can be a lot of fun.
actually sounds a lot like union/mgmt relationship…
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Old 01-31-2024, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by overqualified52 View Post
Does it really matter ? I think just about everyone that lived in Mexico is now living here or has come here in the last 4 years so the airlines here are probably flying most of those people already 😵‍💫👀💀
They are all trying to go home now!
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Old 01-31-2024, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
How does Delta own 51% of Aeromexico and NOT coordinate?
I don't think they do.

I thought they had 49% but during their Covid bankcrupcty restructing Delta's share changed to 20%
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
How does Delta own 51% of Aeromexico and NOT coordinate?
it’s down to 20% after the reorganization

https://www.skyteam.com/en/cargo/abo...r-11-process/#
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