67 is dead,
02-23-2024, 08:01 AM
#331
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That would have to be negotiated, wouldn't it?
02-23-2024, 08:15 AM
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Yeah, we are giving the company leverage. We either reduce LTD or they have leverage against other gains in the contract.
The original terms they agreed to have changed which gives them leverage in the next round.
That’s how negotiations work. It’s a very poor selling point for age 67.
The original terms they agreed to have changed which gives them leverage in the next round.
That’s how negotiations work. It’s a very poor selling point for age 67.
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02-23-2024, 08:24 AM
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Lots of things increase the companies costs and they don't jump in to change it. Swapping the Mad dogs for Boeings and Airbus was a nice pay raise for the pilot group as well as the ongoing switch from the 7ER to the A330.
If the company did demand a change its negotiating capital for the pilot side. That's a good thing. Kind of like the FAR 117 implimentation.
02-23-2024, 08:24 AM
#334
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Good point
The pro-67 talks about everyone getting 2 more years.
2 more years you have to work to achieve your full seniority.
Up to 2 more years you have to wait on your upgrade.
What’s the time loss of money on that delay?
Yeah, you get 2 more years to make up for your lost gains.
In no way is age 67 good for the majority of the seniority list.
I know things are great now. Solid contract, great movement, good outlook on the future.
These things change in a heartbeat. This gravy train will come to a screeching halt any day now.
Reference any decade in the airline industry since inception.
The pro-67 talks about everyone getting 2 more years.
2 more years you have to work to achieve your full seniority.
Up to 2 more years you have to wait on your upgrade.
What’s the time loss of money on that delay?
Yeah, you get 2 more years to make up for your lost gains.
In no way is age 67 good for the majority of the seniority list.
I know things are great now. Solid contract, great movement, good outlook on the future.
These things change in a heartbeat. This gravy train will come to a screeching halt any day now.
Reference any decade in the airline industry since inception.
02-23-2024, 08:26 AM
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Yeah, we are giving the company leverage. We either reduce LTD or they have leverage against other gains in the contract.
The original terms they agreed to has changed which gives them leverage in the next round.
That’s how negotiations work. It’s a very poor selling point for age 67.
The original terms they agreed to has changed which gives them leverage in the next round.
That’s how negotiations work. It’s a very poor selling point for age 67.
02-23-2024, 08:29 AM
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Wow! I don’t think you understand negotiating.
A change occurred that significantly affects the cost to the company.
They will show up to negotiations with the number. It was not accounted for in the last negotiations. They will want X amount for it or X amount less in gains.
This puts LTD as we know it in jeapordy.
02-23-2024, 08:59 AM
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Wow! I don’t think you understand negotiating.
A change occurred that significantly affects the cost to the company.
They will show up to negotiations with the number. It was not accounted for in the last negotiations. They will want X amount for it or X amount less in gains.
This puts LTD as we know it in jeapordy.
A change occurred that significantly affects the cost to the company.
They will show up to negotiations with the number. It was not accounted for in the last negotiations. They will want X amount for it or X amount less in gains.
This puts LTD as we know it in jeapordy.
02-23-2024, 08:59 AM
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Wow! I don’t think you understand negotiating.
A change occurred that significantly affects the cost to the company.
They will show up to negotiations with the number. It was not accounted for in the last negotiations. They will want X amount for it or X amount less in gains.
This puts LTD as we know it in jeapordy.
A change occurred that significantly affects the cost to the company.
They will show up to negotiations with the number. It was not accounted for in the last negotiations. They will want X amount for it or X amount less in gains.
This puts LTD as we know it in jeapordy.
02-23-2024, 09:10 AM
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02-23-2024, 09:17 AM
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How much more will age 67 increase that cost?
I don’t know, you don’t know, but the company does.
You don’t think they will show up to the table with the numbers?
You are right. They will probably just laugh it off and not use it. Negotiations are usually super smooth and on time. They don’t try every angle to reduce the costs every cycle. Otherwise we would have strike votes and stuff.
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