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Whoopsmybad 03-26-2024 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3785948)
Are you talking about me or the OP? As soon as he said payload optimization, every 320 guy here knew what happened and also knew that if revenue is getting bumped, an OAL JS has zero chance of getting on.

The OP, just my way of agreeing with you.

Falcon20 03-27-2024 02:58 AM


Originally Posted by Go Cards go (Post 3785904)
They don’t manually remove the jumpseat weight anymore. The jumpseat weight is no longer part of the basic operating weight of the aircraft as it used to be. They removed it when the FAA increased pax weight a couple of years back. If a Delta JSer is listed, load control accounts for the weight.

Good to know. Thanks

Nick Bradshaw 03-27-2024 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Servant Leader (Post 3785881)
You guys need to get control of your f-ing jumpseat or your pilots are going to start getting left at the gate. This "payload optimization" is bullsh-t, and the fact that it only applies to offline pilots is a slap in the face to your union bretheren.

You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).

Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.

Commuting is a choice. Move to base or pick another airline to ride to work for free on, Frontier boy. You threat of a jumpseat war is laughable because very few Delta pilots would ever have a reason to jumpseat on your garbage airline.

lake 03-27-2024 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw (Post 3786063)
Commuting is a choice. Move to base or pick another airline to ride to work for free on, Frontier boy. You threat of a jumpseat war is laughable because very few Delta pilots would ever have a reason to jumpseat on your garbage airline.

Typical Delta pilot attitude. Grow up, Lots of commuters these days for all airlines. Some day you might need their help.

Nick Bradshaw 03-27-2024 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by lake (Post 3786097)
Typical Delta pilot attitude. Grow up, Lots of commuters these days for all airlines. Some day you might need their help.

Are you not a Delta Pilot? Do you also include yourself in this proclamation?

Also, I live in base, as all pilots should, and as our company recommends. I will never commute, and if I want to go somewhere, I can afford to buy a ticket. I don't need anyone's "help", and I'll decide if I want to let them ride MY jumpseat.

What I won't be doing is ordering gate agents to remove a paying passenger, in a payload optimized situation, to get an OAL pilot a free ride. I wouldn't recommend that unless you like visits to the CPO on your off day, and unpaid time off work.

lake 03-27-2024 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw (Post 3786100)
Are you not a Delta Pilot? Do you also include yourself in this proclamation?

Also, I live in base, as all pilots should, and as our company recommends. I will never commute, and if I want to go somewhere, I can afford to buy a ticket. I don't need anyone's "help", and I'll decide if I want to let them ride MY jumpseat.

What I won't be doing is ordering gate agents to remove a paying passenger, in a payload optimized situation, to get an OAL pilot a free ride. I wouldn't recommend that unless you like visits to the CPO on your off day, and unpaid time off work.

LIke I said typical Delta pilot attitude. I will and do go out of my way to make sure all jumpseaters and non-revs get on board. Maybe someday your family will appreciate it.

crewdawg 03-27-2024 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by lake (Post 3786106)
LIke I said typical Delta pilot attitude. I will and do go out of my way to make sure all jumpseaters and non-revs get on board. Maybe someday your family will appreciate it.


I mean, if someone got all indignant that I wouldn't kick off a paying pax to accomadate an offline JSers, I can understand the attitude.

sailingfun 03-27-2024 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by lake (Post 3786106)
LIke I said typical Delta pilot attitude. I will and do go out of my way to make sure all jumpseaters and non-revs get on board. Maybe someday your family will appreciate it.

The vast majority of Delta pilots do exactly the same. I commuted almost my entire career. Trust me on this, there are pilots at every airline who are to lazy to make the effort. I don't know any pilots however who are going to boot a revenue passenger to get a jumpseater onboard. I also as a jumpseater would never ask or even hint that a CA do that.

Khantahr 03-27-2024 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by lake (Post 3786097)
Typical Delta pilot attitude. Grow up, Lots of commuters these days for all airlines. Some day you might need their help.

You must be new here, I see you've just met NB.

Honestly at this point I think he's just a troll account. No real person could be as big an ******* as he is.

ancman 03-27-2024 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by lake (Post 3786106)
LIke I said typical Delta pilot attitude. I will and do go out of my way to make sure all jumpseaters and non-revs get on board. Maybe someday your family will appreciate it.

Nah, that attitude represents a very small minority of our pilots. Delta has the fewest pilot bases of the big 4, and quite likely the highest commuter rate of the big 4. Plenty of Delta pilots, myself included, rely on other carriers often to jumpseat to/from work. I recognize the importance of the jumpseat and do everything in my power to get jumpseaters and non-revs on.

That said, I would never bump a paying passenger to accommodate a jumpseater or non-rev. I’ve done just about everything else, short of that extreme, to accommodate jumpseaters and non-revs.


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