Servant Leader

You guys need to get control of your f-ing jumpseat or your pilots are going to start getting left at the gate. This "payload optimization" is bullsh-t, and the fact that it only applies to offline pilots is a slap in the face to your union bretheren.

You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).

Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.

Buck Rogers

Standy. Get ready to be schooled.

BTW....nice approach!

2StgTurbine

My plane, my cargo, MY jumpseat

Servant Leader

Buck:

The facts are the facts, pal:
1) A pilot needs a ride.
2) There is an open seat in either the cockpit or the back.
3) The aircraft is not over gross.
4) He gets on.
5) Period.

This will be my only response to this thread. Have at it.

tennisguru

What you saying is that an offline jumpseater, with no affiliation to Delta, should get on a flight when Delta paying passengers cannot otherwise get on? If we have pulled all the strings and are maxed out on weight, due to whatever restriction, then we cannot add another person, revenue, nonrevenue, or offline jumpseater. The Delta jumpseat is specifically protected from payload optimization for Delta pilots and flight attendants only, and in that situation a Delta JS'er will cause the removal of an additional revenue passenger in order to be accomodated. Delta will not bump a revenue passenger to protect an offline jumpseater, no matter how many rants they make on the internet.

If there is weight available after all Delta revenue and Delta nonrevenue passengers have gotten seats, then absolutely an offline jumpseater gets a seat. If this situation happened where weight was available and a JS'er was left behind then that was not done properly. And it is not necessarily gross weight that is restrictive. Many times there are takeoff/climb restrictions due to terrain/wind/MEL/landing weight/alternate fuel/etc that limit takeoff weight to well below gross.

2StgTurbine

You do know there are a lot of other weight limits other than gross takeoff weight, right?

And as a general rule, if you want to agree with you, it's probably better not to come across as an a$$ hat.

manchild

yeah a lot of people don’t realize the time consuming a$$ pain of a PO flight if you want to fill all the seats, plus the JS, even on a small narrow body fleet that sips gas… local load control gives a conservative number to the gate agent and they refuse to budge so you have to call dispatch and mother ship load control to make it work. It can be done but it’s distracting and a lot of work. But I’m not leaving 2 people behind when I can burn gas lots of ways.

RAH RAH REE

Drop your name so I can make sure you "get on"

notEnuf

Approach and attitude aside, he has a point. Delta pilots on the JS are magically weightless but OAL uniforms must be heavy.

172skychicken

Sounds like you tried to jumpseat on an A320. Sorry you got left behind. Unfortunately the company added a decent number of seats awhile ago but never paid to increase the max landing weight. If an alternate is required it's not uncommon to have to bump revenue off.

And as alluded to in previous posts, the jumpseat isn't included in the BOW, DL jumpseaters just can't be removed. This comes at the expense of revenue. I've never heard of an airline that will bump revenue to board an offline jumpseater. Again, sorry you got left behind.