Payload Optimization
03-26-2024 | 04:22 PM
#21
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You guys need to get control of your f-ing jumpseat or your pilots are going to start getting left at the gate. This "payload optimization" is bullsh-t, and the fact that it only applies to offline pilots is a slap in the face to your union bretheren.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
03-26-2024 | 04:57 PM
#23
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You guys need to get control of your f-ing jumpseat or your pilots are going to start getting left at the gate. This "payload optimization" is bullsh-t, and the fact that it only applies to offline pilots is a slap in the face to your union bretheren.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
To me the above is more infuriating than payload optimization. It’s punishing employees. If those seats really are needed for safety, no one should sit in them.
03-26-2024 | 04:59 PM
#24
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From: Wind checker
03-26-2024 | 05:33 PM
#25
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You guys need to get control of your f-ing jumpseat or your pilots are going to start getting left at the gate. This "payload optimization" is bullsh-t, and the fact that it only applies to offline pilots is a slap in the face to your union bretheren.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
03-26-2024 | 06:01 PM
#26
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Wait until you miss a flight due to flight attendant turbulence safety seats. They literally block passenger seats from non-rev use so the flight attendants have safety seats available to sit in during turbulence. Of course paying passengers are allowed to occupy these seats so better hope if they are really needed, the flight isn’t completely full of paying passengers.
To me the above is more infuriating than payload optimization. It’s punishing employees. If those seats really are needed for safety, no one should sit in them.
To me the above is more infuriating than payload optimization. It’s punishing employees. If those seats really are needed for safety, no one should sit in them.
03-26-2024 | 06:41 PM
#27
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To include FAs who are using the FA jumpseats. I’ve seen jumpseating FAs in the “safety seats” vs in the actual seat. God forbid if a jump seating pilot were to sit in one of those. They may not have a union, but the FA mafia is strong.
03-26-2024 | 06:52 PM
#28
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I fully understand the complaint about payload optimization. They put that label on a flight and it’s an excuse. The better captains I’ve worked with are proactive and figure out early if a jumpseater is trying to get on. Many times we can take them once we know the numbers. “Payload Optimized” is an easy excuse to tell someone no. If all parties involved would put in some effort we can, in many cases, still get a fellow pilot home.
03-26-2024 | 07:03 PM
#29
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From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
It starts with walking up to the captain in the gate area and introducing yourself, not avoiding eye contact and hoping they come up and check on you 10 minutes before push.
This a common experience.
When I see 5 pilots loitering in the gate area and no one says “hi”, I assume they’re all on company deadheads or purchased tickets.
You’re the one asking for a favor.
Ask.
(Yes, I get tight connections. Your just-in-time commuting plans are not my problem).
This a common experience.
When I see 5 pilots loitering in the gate area and no one says “hi”, I assume they’re all on company deadheads or purchased tickets.
You’re the one asking for a favor.
Ask.
(Yes, I get tight connections. Your just-in-time commuting plans are not my problem).
Last edited by DeltaboundRedux; 03-26-2024 at 07:13 PM.
03-26-2024 | 09:40 PM
#30
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From: Widget FO
You guys need to get control of your f-ing jumpseat or your pilots are going to start getting left at the gate. This "payload optimization" is bullsh-t, and the fact that it only applies to offline pilots is a slap in the face to your union bretheren.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
You might as well go back to the days when mother Delta didn't even allow jumpseaters (yes, I am that old).
Grow a set and refuse to drop the brake until the pilot needing a ride is on your plane; I have.
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