A question for the flight instructors (PPL)
05-28-2024 | 02:10 PM
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A question for the flight instructors (PPL)
I've got a friend and neighbor that recently bought a Cirrus. He's been taking instruction in it from a Cirrus factory certified instructor.
He went for his check ride today after amassing @ 150 hours.
Got through the oral no problem. When the examiner went over what they'd be doing for the check he mentioned unusual attitude recovery while under the hood. His instructor had never done this with him. He informed the examiner of this and fortunately the examinar just put it down as an incomplete and postponed the practical portion of the exam.
It's been MANY years since I taught PPL. Is unusual attitudes under the hood a requirement for a PPL now? Seems like that would be an instrument exam.
He went for his check ride today after amassing @ 150 hours.
Got through the oral no problem. When the examiner went over what they'd be doing for the check he mentioned unusual attitude recovery while under the hood. His instructor had never done this with him. He informed the examiner of this and fortunately the examinar just put it down as an incomplete and postponed the practical portion of the exam.
It's been MANY years since I taught PPL. Is unusual attitudes under the hood a requirement for a PPL now? Seems like that would be an instrument exam.
05-28-2024 | 02:19 PM
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I've got a friend and neighbor that recently bought a Cirrus. He's been taking instruction in it from a Cirrus factory certified instructor.
He went for his check ride today after amassing @ 150 hours.
Got through the oral no problem. When the examiner went over what they'd be doing for the check he mentioned unusual attitude recovery while under the hood. His instructor had never done this with him. He informed the examiner of this and fortunately the examinar just put it down as an incomplete and postponed the practical portion of the exam.
It's been MANY years since I taught PPL. Is unusual attitudes under the hood a requirement for a PPL now? Seems like that would be an instrument exam.
He went for his check ride today after amassing @ 150 hours.
Got through the oral no problem. When the examiner went over what they'd be doing for the check he mentioned unusual attitude recovery while under the hood. His instructor had never done this with him. He informed the examiner of this and fortunately the examinar just put it down as an incomplete and postponed the practical portion of the exam.
It's been MANY years since I taught PPL. Is unusual attitudes under the hood a requirement for a PPL now? Seems like that would be an instrument exam.
Check out the Airman Cert Standards (used to be called PTS), Section VIII Basic Instrument Maneuvers, Task E and it says "To determine that the applicant exhibits satisfactory knowledge, risk management, and skills associated with attitude instrument flying while recovering from unusual attitudes solely by reference to instruments."
FAA PPL ACS
05-28-2024 | 02:25 PM
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I've got a friend and neighbor that recently bought a Cirrus. He's been taking instruction in it from a Cirrus factory certified instructor.
He went for his check ride today after amassing @ 150 hours.
Got through the oral no problem. When the examiner went over what they'd be doing for the check he mentioned unusual attitude recovery while under the hood. His instructor had never done this with him. He informed the examiner of this and fortunately the examinar just put it down as an incomplete and postponed the practical portion of the exam.
It's been MANY years since I taught PPL. Is unusual attitudes under the hood a requirement for a PPL now? Seems like that would be an instrument exam.
He went for his check ride today after amassing @ 150 hours.
Got through the oral no problem. When the examiner went over what they'd be doing for the check he mentioned unusual attitude recovery while under the hood. His instructor had never done this with him. He informed the examiner of this and fortunately the examinar just put it down as an incomplete and postponed the practical portion of the exam.
It's been MANY years since I taught PPL. Is unusual attitudes under the hood a requirement for a PPL now? Seems like that would be an instrument exam.
it was required over a decade ago when I got my ratings and has been required since.
05-28-2024 | 02:49 PM
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05-28-2024 | 03:07 PM
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Here's an AOPA article from 2007 that talks about the requirement so it's been around for awhile.
150hrs for a Private is about double the National average and obviously they never reviewed the ACS.
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He could have easily done his checkride, it’s not like they put you in an inverted spin partial panel recover on the tach and compass only.
05-28-2024 | 03:56 PM
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Thanks y'all. Last time I had a look at the PPL requirements was back in the mid 80's. 👨🦳
No hood or google work back then. Not surprised it's been added.
He's actually got 160 hours. The fact his instructor signed him off for the checkride without going teaching unusual attitude recovery or going over ALL the requirements prior to the check is another red flag.
No hood or google work back then. Not surprised it's been added.
He's actually got 160 hours. The fact his instructor signed him off for the checkride without going teaching unusual attitude recovery or going over ALL the requirements prior to the check is another red flag.
05-29-2024 | 01:50 AM
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Thanks y'all. Last time I had a look at the PPL requirements was back in the mid 80's. 👨🦳
No hood or google work back then. Not surprised it's been added.
He's actually got 160 hours. The fact his instructor signed him off for the checkride without going teaching unusual attitude recovery or going over ALL the requirements prior to the check is another red flag.
No hood or google work back then. Not surprised it's been added.
He's actually got 160 hours. The fact his instructor signed him off for the checkride without going teaching unusual attitude recovery or going over ALL the requirements prior to the check is another red flag.
It’s good the DPE gave opportunity to train the skill. They’re expecting to see reaction to both nose down and nose high UAs.
05-29-2024 | 04:12 AM
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Thanks y'all. Last time I had a look at the PPL requirements was back in the mid 80's. 👨🦳
No hood or google work back then. Not surprised it's been added.
He's actually got 160 hours. The fact his instructor signed him off for the checkride without going teaching unusual attitude recovery or going over ALL the requirements prior to the check is another red flag.
No hood or google work back then. Not surprised it's been added.
He's actually got 160 hours. The fact his instructor signed him off for the checkride without going teaching unusual attitude recovery or going over ALL the requirements prior to the check is another red flag.
It is possible to send someone to their checkride right at 40 hours and have everything checked ouff, but you have to have a plan to make it happen.
05-29-2024 | 04:50 AM
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My experience teaching middle-aged professionals is it could easily take 150 hours because they have a lot of other stuff going on. Business gets crazy, son gets married, wife has her gall bladder out. You don't fly for three weeks then you spend three weeks catching up.
Still a fail on the instructor for not ... USING A CHECKLIST ... for the pts standards. But 150 hours to get a distracted boomer zero to hero in a complicated, high performance aircraft - not a fail.
05-29-2024 | 05:53 AM
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His instructor was an older gentleman. One of the delays in scheduling the checkride was they hadn't done any night flying, despite having over 120 hours at that point. I told my friend how unusual that was, at least back when I was teaching.
I definitely think there was a bit of fleecing going on. Instructor saw a guy with the coin to buy a 2 year old SR-22.
This is one of those very rare occasions I wish I still had my CFI.
I definitely think there was a bit of fleecing going on. Instructor saw a guy with the coin to buy a 2 year old SR-22.
This is one of those very rare occasions I wish I still had my CFI.
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